The issues are overall crime culture versus mass murder culture are very different. You can't equate a spate of shop-lifting incidents (as an example) with a spate of mass shootings.

The reason I continue to ask the question, is that as I have stated several times in this thread, mass shootings on the scale and regularity as they exist in the US, are unique to the USA (in terms of their regularity). Some references:

This article provides a summary of major school shootings throughout the world; most occur in the US; none have occurred in Australia.
A Time Line of Recent Worldwide School Shootings — Infoplease.com

This article (granted, it is some years old now) provides a summary of major shootings in the US.
A history of mass shootings in the US | World news | The Guardian

Here is a link to the major mass shootings in the US within the last year.
TIMELINE: Deadly mass shootings in United States | U.S. | Reuters

Finally, here is a link to an interesting article on MSNBC which asks the very questions that I do - why these occur so regularly in the USA, and no where else. Why are mass shootings on the rise? - Massacre at Virginia Tech - MSNBC.com

Oh for God's sake Rak, it has nothing to do with an American bash fest and you know it. I was asking the question as to WHY these incidents occur so regularly in the USA, and there is not a single other country on the world that comes anywhere near equating to the USA in terms of number of incidents and regularity of incidents.

How about this then: I would like to know why so many mass shootings occur in an unnamed country in an unnamed hemisphere somewhere in the world. No other country on the planet can match the stats of the said unnamed nation.

We can't understand the issue of "why" these occur in the country without knowing which country it is, and therefore what cultural issues are associated with it and may come into play as causes and/or consequences. I'm sorry if you took offense at the post, but why not redirect some of that anger towards the incredibly large number of your country men who regularly shoot others?

For one who strongly advocated another rule about threads to limit "spamming", I'm surprised you didn't simply ressurect on of the numerous existing threads you have on this same topic. Although, I suspect that would be too obvious to all that you reject any answers to your question unless they gel with what you want to hear and none are quite sure what that is. As many of us find this fruitless to engage you in this topic at this point, a new thread seems the obvious choice for you.

A new week ... a new multiple shooting....

Mass Shooting in Illinois

Memphis shooting - six dead

It looks like some merging may be in order.

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I'm not trying to compare them, just asking you if you feel there is a crime culture in Australia.Those are school shootings only, not mass shootings in general.Only includes the US, providing no comparison to other nations.Same: only for the US. No comparison given.I didn't read through the entire article, but it doesn't appear to compare USA's mass shootings with those of other nations.

However, using your sources, I guess you can average out the shootings (and again, they mention mass SHOOTINGS, not all mass MURDER, so this is going to be very flawed, although you've provided nothing better). Let's take the busiest year (which is, by the way, not the right way to do it since you would have to look at perhaps 10 consecutive years to get a better estimate), 2008, based on your third source. Since this year isn't over, let's assume that the late-year shootings that were listed for 2007 happen in 2008. So, 7 shootings / yr in the US and 0.5 shootings / yr in Australia.

"We have on average, one every two years."

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The article does not ever state that these events happen "no where else." Might ask the question why it is happening in America, written by the AP, but never states we are alone in this. And, the same article states that it is impossible to attribute the rise in mass shootings to any single cause... as in single out guns as the problem and blame these tools alone.

Well, look at that, two whole pages before you wrapped yourself in the flag and finally admitted that you so love your guns because you see them as your last desperate and ineffectual defense against actual democracy ever coming to power in the US, (ha, libruls try to let gays get married, will they?) and you didn't even try the old America isn't-like-any-other-country-despite-all-the-other-similarities-except-we-so -enjoy-killling-each-other-argument.

Oh and WN, remember what I said about unpaid stooges? this guy sure aint, is he?

I'll try the same challenge with which I defeated Impugn, tell me, in specific and clear terms, what makes all of you so differrent from this last and most recent shooter, except in degree. You both generally advocate that you want your guns because you have the right to murder people you disagree with ENOUGH, he just saw that it was time to act on his beliefs, you, as yet, haven't.

Greetings and Felicitations,

Sorry, but this is incorrect. Everyone else is not disagreeing with him. The violence affected in the community are disagreeing with him. Most of us who agree with him simply state our point of view and forget about trying to convince the militant variety that maybe guns are a major part of the problem. The entire truth is something that a great majority of people don't want to face. The entire truth is that our culture, and most other cultures on Terra, are obsessed with violence. America is drowning in it. The medias are so enthralled with violence its almost impossible to find something that doesn't have violence in it. The TV shows are overwhelmingly violent and so are the video games, movies, books and magazines.

Sincererely Yours,
C. David Neely

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Greetings and Felicitations,

The same old tired argument. We have to have guns because the government is out to get us. I hate to tell you this but the government is us. The people in the government don't sit around all day just imagining ways that they can overthrow democracy. I am sure that there are a couple but they are insane. The overwhelming majority don't. If the government tries a program its because someone noticed that some spectrum of the populace is concerned about something. That is how politicians get elected and re-elected. They inact laws that the people want so that they can convince people to vote for them.

We (Americans) get the government that we deserve and we get it by our choices. Good or bad.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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What more should we do? Its illegal, and we have millions of law enforcement personell in this country. Perhaps if the church had had an armed guard, no one would have been hurt.

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I can't really remember how many years I have been posting here, but that is the single funniest claim I have yet to read.........Bravo!

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I sure am glad I was born in America.

You didn't defeat shit. And declaring yourself "victor" as you did is a surrender of the first order and a jackass maneuver. Not surprising.

You obviously have no idea what the Second Amendment is, how it got there, and why it has to stay. You are exhibiting an understanding of this topic that one would have to be sporting an extra chromosome to appreciate.

For the 85th and final time, either address the following points, or STFU:

- What, exactly, does a mass murdering fool have to do with the Second Amendment?
- What on Earth does the Second Amendment's effect of keeping the government in the hands of the people have to do with me "shooting anybody with whom I disagree politically"?

The answer is "nothing". If you need clarification as to the meaning of "nothing", consult the "points" within any of your previous posts.

As for your assertion about guns being a way to prevent "actual democracy"? You. Slay. Me. Alice. I feel like I'm dealing with Edith Bunker here.

- We're not a democracy. Get over it.
- You're not terribly interested in "democracy" when it repeatedly works against you. Since you brought up "gay marriage": show me one DEMOCRATIC result (i.e. an actual VOTE by the population) that was in favor of it. Just one. No, you and your conniving kind have to rely on activist liberal judges and out of control legislatures to circumvent "democracy". That is the only way your bullshit ever comes to pass.

But, yes, to your point, if a Nancy Pelosi was able to wave a wand and "have her way 100%" as of, say, tomorrow...75% taxes...socialized private industry...destruction of religion...cradle-to-grave horseshit...and who the fuck knows what else that would be (mandatory faggot marriage?)...this government would be overthrown by We, the People. With guns. And this is by design.

That is why it is part and parcel of the leftist strategy to take the guns out of the equation. Because they know nobody really wants their bullshit...they cannot present any of their initiatives honestly.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

It's a bullet thing, isn't it liberals? The combo of autos and alcohol kill more innocent people than nuts with guns ever will, but we don't see you calling for outlawing cars and booze. And since JD threw homosexuality into this mix (somehow???) lets outlaw that too because AIDS will kill more than nuts with guns. Start with the cars first and then you can solve our dependence on oil problem as well.
Liberal dreamers.............

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I sure am glad I was born in America.

Greetings and Felicitations,

Damnit, I missed the coup? Did we become a dictatorship while I was asleep or away from the keyboard? Pray tell me, if people didn't vote for them then how did they get there?

Do you vote?

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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Oh, you voted for them, but they are not a government of the people in case you missed that small detail. Hint:This country is run by lobbyists...your elected official is thru with you once you cast that vote that you were duped into. Damn............ been voting long?

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I sure am glad I was born in America.

Greetings and Felicitations,

Since I was 18 that would be about 28 years. Lobbyist won't have anyone to seek to manipulate if people don't vote them into office and keep voting for them to stay there.

A lot of people want to abrogate responsibility and simply blame the "government." Its like when people want to blame Bush for things. Its not all Bush's fault no matter how much some people want to blame him for it. It's the fault of the populace for allowing him to continue to act in our name without doing our best to remove a person. Please be aware that I am not seeking to turn this into a Bush bashing thread. I am using him as an example related to the responsibility of the people to the government we vote into office.

You didn't answer my question. Do you vote?

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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