I have always been around man, if you look "down under".

This forum has turned pretty far right in the past couple years so I refrain from posting up top. I was doing a transcript about Mr. Ng last night, and I thought his story needs to be told. Americans, unfortunately, don't care about foreigners and care even less about foreigners who came into their country, legally or not. Which is why this kind of tragedy happens systematically. Imagine if Canada or Germany treats an American who came to live in their country illegally- the way Mr. Ng was treated- It would have been all over the US press and possibily sanctioned the "pre-emptive strike" of Canada or Germany!

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A couple of things i wanted to mention in the general direction of this topic:

Jefe, the only reason we were always told to check for bleeding was the possible risk of infection (i assume there was a few prisoners who had various contagious conditions). We also did regular TB tests, of which the odd one came back positive. Luckily when its a county jail/CO/detainer it doesn't go anywhere and neither does the news of it.

WFCY, when you stated that his status was fine, if you think this is bad then you're in for a shock. Where i worked for a couple weeks (i guess it was clerking or more of an internship) we had various folks awaiting deportation who had done nothing wrong. (Literally). They came from Eastern block nations (former states under oppression from the USSR) and got to our shores on approved asylum/refuge grounds. Some of those folks in their idiocy didn't apply for citizenship when they could and now we have relations with those nations the refuge/asylum status that they have been under on residency grounds are invalid and thus invalidate their legal status, and they get deported.

My advice to any Eastern European or any state we now have ties with like Libya is, if you haven't yet applied for citizenship and you came over 30 years ago on Asylum/refuge status, don't now try apply for citizenship if you have gone through the 5 year residency requirements, you won't get it and you'll be deported, try keep a low profile.

Nice sweeping, baseless generalization there.

And your last sentence is utter idiocy.

But let me say how very nice it is to have you back "up top".



Matt

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Yes, that is pretty shocking. And assuming their asylum/refugee were based on legitimate grounds, there's a possibility they will be locked up and tortured when sent back. That means the US would be violating UN Charters/ International law.

Mr. Ng probabily was not aware of his breaking the law. He thought he was legal and thus tried to apply for a green card. Bad move, cost his life. The system is such that sometimes you had better stay illegal than attracting attention to yourself.

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-- Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna

Forgot to add, the moderators now do the baitings.

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-- Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna

No it would not be a violation of international law/UN charters because those countries now will no longer torture. Some of those folks were kids when they came over, they are now grown adults and their families signed papers vowing never to go back to those countries (Romania, the Ukraine, Poland, Hungary etc) but now that the governments are open its not too much of a problem. We wouldn't send them back if we suspected even an ounce of a chance of them being tortured on return.

However i'm not even sure what the status is on them if they are in the country now and on asylum laws with countries no longer living under tyranny, i think technically they are still fine unless they apply for citizenship in which case they then break the immigration laws by fraudulantly trying to become a citizen on the same asylum grounds, which don't apply as they are no longer in fear of their lives etc. I'll have to check i think.

Not hard at all, as long as he/she is smart about it and keeps up to date with all his/her paperwork and other requirements.

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While it may be correct to suggest that the DHS does indeed round people up, they're very unlikely to be those that need to be rounded up. The latter--those who actually immigrate illegally and commit crimes, can too easily fool the DHS, since it is--like all other agencies under the Bush admin--completely incompetent.

The sad thing about this story is that if this dude had been just a little more clever, he would've escaped all this.

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Btw i assume you're asking in refference to his case and not just in general?

If its in the general sense, then you need to be married for at least 5 years under, i think its the K-1/K-2 Spousal Visa. That's if you come over and get married here and then apply, if you're already married before, then its 10 years.

Also its consecutive years of residency without interruption.

Its very complicated if there are further mitigating factors but i'll try answer if you have any questions.

I bow before the master on the topic of baiting.



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I knew were this was when I read the op, I just did not think we'd get there so soon.....

so when did he marry? And he had undiagnosed cancer.....that it become malignant and killed him while in custody all in shot it of course so ridiculous its not worth calculating but you like that slant it appears....if he had died at home would that have made you feel better? Would the story even have made the news?

yea well, here’s an idea, why don't we extend health care coverage to every person here on a visa too? I mean our citizens don’t have universal health care but we’ll cover those in Mr Ng’s shoes…..

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Maybe I.C.E is trying to send a message to the illegal immigrants out there? If you try to do the right thing by becoming a citizen you'll pay the price. Contrast this story with the one about how Oregan is providing shelters for illegal immigrants while the feds do nothing and it becomes a plausible theory.

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If anyone doesn't think our immigration system as a whole is not completely f*cked up - they should read this story...granted the source is the mans family, which may or may not be totally accurate, however the fact he received no medical attention AND stayed in immigration hell for the time period he did is reprehensible.
To add GREAT irony to this story is to remember that on a regular basis illegal immigrants even after committing such heinous crimes as child molestation are released to roam the streets...and then you have this guy..

Inexcusable...but not to worry, 90% of "sitcom America" will not even know this happened, or what mess allows this to happen...where did I put my gameboy?...

First of all thx to Thorhammer and Traveler

My question was just meant in a general sense; it's a bit hard to ask a "correct" question concerning this case, if one only has one article to learn about it and one is not really familar/hyperconcerned about the system.

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Well, apparently healthy apart from the cancer.....

No, reason for being arrested - overstayed his Visa in violation of the law.
His excuse for violating the law was the mis-delivery of the notice.

How, pray tell, Dr. WFCY, did you make that determination? You know exactly when he contracted cancer?

You're in the wrong line of work as an internet "revolucionario". You should be out saving the world with your amazing medical knowledge.

There are several things wrong with what happened to Mr. Ng.

And also, several things wrong with your claims, such as the vapid suggestion that a case like this would be grounds for a "pre-emptive strike".

There is plainly a need for standards to ensure that those being detained are provided competent medical care. Regardless of the reason for their detention, they are in the care and custody of the government, and as such the government as a moral as well as a legal duty to provide such care.

Matt

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