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Ill and in Pain, Detainee Dies in U.S. Hands
From the NY Times, you can skip to bottom summary if you don't wanna read wall of text:
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Story in short: 34yr old, appearantly healthy Chinese immigrant who spent over half his life in US, married an American, has 2 kids, owns house and works in computer firm, got picked up by homeland security when he was about to get his green card, and put into private owned prison run by Corrections Corporations of America (CCA). Reason being picked up, he missed an immigration court hearing many years ago because the notice was sent to the wrong address. Within about a year into his incarceration he contracted cancer, and received no medical treatment despite his and his family's pleas. They denied him a wheelchair when his spine was fractured (probabily due to cancer) and could no longer walk, which as a result denied him pain killers and phone contacts to his lawyer and family, because he could not make his way around. When he was checked by CCA nurses, he was told to "stop faking it". Few days before he died, they dragged him to a deportation officer who threatened him unless he drops his appeal. Finally he was seen by a federal judge who ordered him be put into hospital. He was finally diagnosed with multiple terminal cancer, and he died couple days later. What is wrong with this story?
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Re: Ill and in Pain, Detainee Dies in U.S. Hands
I worked in an INS detainer, and it was basically anextension of a local county jail. That, i was told was just a holding place until you ship folks off to the actual specialist detainers, but when i visited there, that to me looked like some big hall, 80 to 100 folks in one place.
Anyhow the orders we were given is, unless they're not breathing or unless they're not breathing you don't let them get any slack at all. |
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We were told to notify the nurse or doctor if he or she was about, which was hardly ever. The nurse or Doc would look at the screen which the camera was linked to, to avoid them having to enter the GP, and if they thought it was extenuatingly serious they'd intervene.
It is very tough, but the set up was such the whole place was monitored from nook to cranny, no way could someone break a bone or have a seizure without us noticing. Its only if they complained and we couldn't suspect anything ourselves, which is what this sounds like. |
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A sad story, indeed. The failure to provide medical care is truly reprehensible.
Matt
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INS (at the time, now ICE) detainers don't meet the same level for folks who aren't citizens.
Everyone there has no coverage, at all, under any circumstances. If you enter our land and end up in the custody of the federal government in reason to your status being unlawfully alien (which this was, whatever the opinion on it) any possible coverage you get is forfitted, as is any possible "worldwide travel insurance" or anything like that. |
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Its like saying a robber was shot while committing a crime but its the police fault they shot him because he was committing a crime. |
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They could have sent the notification letter to the old address if he stayed elsewhere fromthe current address when he overstayed the last time (assuming he went back home inbetween) and the letter would have been automatically generasted to the previous place by the DHS database, which is a slight glitch in the system.
Kind of irrelevant, he would have been deported anyway, and put in a detainer awaiting return to the last POE from where he came to whichever city he flew into from and would have been treated the same way in all likelyhood. |
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According to the interview in Democracynow (linked in OP), and according to Congresswoman Rep. Zoe Lofgren, Mr. Ng was in fact, legally residing in the US having married an American citizen, at the time of his detention.
But the argument that being an illegal immigrant (or "alien") by default makes you an Untermensch and subject to inhumane treatments, tells a lot about the person advocating that argument and the government that practices it.
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Well i didn't advocate it.
And no he was not residing legally if he had overstayed his previous visa, because his next Visa (the current one) would not have been approved if that fact was known to the US embassy in China. Which means he must have either witheld the information or inadvertantly fraudulently completed his application. Also he would have been given at least a 10 year bar of re-entry after the first time when he overstayed, so most definately he was here illegally. |
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Just a question out of curiosity, how difficult is it for a foreigner, married to an American wife and father of two Americans kids to obtain a legal/normal immigration status in the USA?
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If he has violated immigration laws (civil), without additional criminal offences then he will be deported with a re-entry ban, and then his wife is allowed to petition for him to come back after that period.
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