It probably would have been better for them to leak this out into the press in an upfront way instead of hiding it until they had to fess up.

Teen daughter of GOP VP pick is pregnant - CNN.com

Oh well, maybe they can now put positive spin on this...

See? Abortion is bad... Look now we have a 17 year old child who is a mother-to-be, hasn't completed high school, and is now going to be married. A much more preferable situation.

Remember the movie Juno? It's going to be all happy like that (except the part about the adoption..... and the marriage)

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It's a shame that this is even a topic of conversation. So much for Barack Obama's "different kind of politics."

If family members are not off limits, then it's time for Republicans to pull all the stops.

I'll pass. I'd rather not get that dirty.

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Let's leave the candidates out of it. Saying Obama's behind this is like saying McCain drew the picture of Obama and his wife for the New Yorker Magazine. It's the hanger ons and the blind followers of both campaigns that will go to the press or log on to forums to spew their hate.

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It's not a matter of weather I'll accept your source or not (based on how credible it is) it's a matter of will or won't. You won't show me a source because you don't have one. As I said before it's perfectly fine with me.

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As far as I know the Obama campaign has nothing to do with left-wing bloggers...any more than McCain has to do anything with the Obama smearing threads on this site...

But now that there's some truth to the story... just quite a different twist, It is a legitimate news story that will be covered on NBC, CNN, and even FOX.


And in regard the republicans pulling out all the stops...Do you expect the McCain campaign to get really nasty...really? It seems to me, they were already pushing the envelope of decency..(the honorable campaign McCain promised never materialized... so they have no high ground in the matter)

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if it was a dem candidate would you care?

I agree, to a point, with the sentiment of your post. I’m sure I’m not alone; far too much attention is paid to dubious issues such as this. But while this issue is of questionable value, IMO, most, if not all, of the other issues you raised have been brought up in the past in other threads. This one is getting attention now because it’s current. If you’re interested in discussing the issues you mentioned, feel free to retrieve one of the old threads, or start a new one if you can't find one that addresses the points you want to make. One of the reasons posters aren't discussing these issues is because they've already made their positions known.

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Beating the young girl up, no. But the issues it raised, yes.

For example, this is going to be used as an example of why 'abstinence only' in schools is a naïve waste of money and more likely lead to teenage pregnancy. Bristol's pregnancy flies right in the face of the claims that it works.

Minors marrying is also very controversial. The stats bear out the failure rates. Minors marrying and having children also point out how teenage pregnancy can really set back schooling and training so teenagers can have kids in a timely manner as adults. Again, that goes back to how best to combat teenage pregnancy.

These kinds of things implicate judgement. Why, for example, argue for 'abstinence only' when one's own child didn't obey that? Every parent knows teenagers are going to experiment and engage in sex given their age and hormones. This is why, IMO, comprehensive sex ed is so important and from there let the teenagers make their decisions whether to have sex and, if so, how to do so as most responsibly they can. The parents can also make their own influences at home about what they think their children should choose to do regarding the decision to have sex, but at least the public knows the child has the info they need for whatever they choose to do.

Getting on a plane with water broken is also irresponsible IMO just so the child would be born in AK. If that was so important, then the TX trip should have been cancelled.

Moreover, Palin is running to be VP of all the states. I'm pretty sure many TX people won't appreciate the fact that she did that, especially that she'd hop a plane with her water broken to avoid it. She better make a good case that colloquial chauvinism had absolutely nothing to do with her decision, and if she made any such statements of that kind, it doesn't show flattering aspects when seeking the highest offices. Luckily for McCain and her, TX is a solid red state but people in other states might not like that for themselves because most people believe in the value of their own home area. For example, how does a Southerner feel when a chauvinistic Yankee from New England feels they are 'less than' or vice versa with all the MA stereotypes? Pick any region and they'll have their chauvinists but there's a fine line between local pride and local chauvinism, the former being admirable and the latter not.

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Can you point to the language in my post where I accused the Obama campaign of being behind it? No, you can't.

My point is that Obama has called for a different kind of politics and much of his support is based on that idea. That idea is in the toilet now, as it has been for some time, and those on the left are as responsible for that as anyone.

Thank you very much.

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Yes. As I said to wooyarn, I jumped to being snarky, but this stuff is politics as normal.

I can certainly agree with keeping non-essential family information out of the hands of the general public. I think the only issue here is whether the Palins lied (which I for one find to be an idiotic accusation) about who the mother was. Her daughter's current pregnancy has nothing to do with the Presidential race. If people want to start discussing ethics of the candidates then let's start with things that they have admitted to having done themselves. John McCain's failure to stay with his first wife and Barack Obama's cocaine experience.

It amazes me that you believe this is somehow linked to Obama just because it was an attack commited by the left. Obama is not responsible for the whole left.

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until he condemns that kind of stuff from his base, then he is linked, just like bush was linked to swift boaters in a 6 degrees of seperation way, this is his base, and they are doing politics as ususall which makes his "baby on boardesque " slogan bullshit , just that bullshit

and by his acceptance speach hs is just about the same old same old IMO

Already addressed. Try to keep up.

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When it's being addressed in the media, why bring up Obama at all?

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