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Dutch Intelligence :US to attack Iran

According to this article, the US is preparing to strike Iran, and soon.
This would be a continuation of the "blood for votes" policy of the Bush administration, sacrificing the lives of the common clay, for the benefit of the real people.

Dutch intel: US to strike Iran in coming weeks | Iran news | Jerusalem Post
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Re: Dutch Intelligence :US to attack Iran

Ssssssshhhhhh! It's a secret!
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Re: Dutch Intelligence :US to attack Iran

I just think it's neat that the Dutch publicly announce their intelligence service's findings and their intentions to attack foreign powers.

Nothing fishy about that. Nothing at all. Perfectly believable.
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Re: Dutch Intelligence :US to attack Iran

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I just think it's neat that the Dutch publicly announce their intelligence service's findings and their intentions to attack foreign powers.

Nothing fishy about that. Nothing at all. Perfectly believable.
Actually, they might just be believable. According to the article, the Dutch intelligence seemed to have their operation under control until someone came in and told them no, it's an American airstrike. They may just be hacked off enough at our interference in their operation that they figured they would leak it. Just saying it's a possibility.

Anyway, there's no chance of an airstrike now, if one was planned.

Or, it could be disinformation. Lot's of possibilities.
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Re: Dutch Intelligence :US to attack Iran

A reliable intelligence agency would never admit to having commited espionage in a foriegn country. I call hogwash.
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A reliable intelligence agency would never admit to having commited espionage in a foriegn country. I call hogwash.
Could be. I'm not ruling that out at all. But, if true, it makes me mad. The Dutch had it under control and covert, yet pressure to stop it for something not covert? I'm not comfortable with that - IF TRUE, that is.
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A reliable intelligence agency would never admit to having commited espionage in a foriegn country. I call hogwash.
Yep...
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Re: Dutch Intelligence :US to attack Iran

Disinformation from Isreal. Meant for Iranian consumption. Keeps them guessing. Gives goober something to do.

Enough said.
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Reliability

I'd rather believe the dutch intelligence than the CIA, which supported starting a war by providing "proof" that non-existent weapons of mass destruction existed.

That Iraq-CIA-WMD-spin has ruined the US' intelligence credibility for the next 20 years.

So I'm going to believe the dutch this time. Let's wait for that air strike.

Finally, some more war would show the voters the decisive and aggressive stance of republican presidents defending the US against all evil, and could reinforce the will to vote republican. Or so.

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I'd rather believe the dutch intelligence than the CIA, which supported starting a war by providing "proof" that non-existent weapons of mass destruction existed....
As chemical weapons were found in Iraq, your claim that the weapons were non-existent is incorrect.
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I'd rather believe the dutch intelligence than the CIA, which supported starting a war by providing "proof" that non-existent weapons of mass destruction existed.

That Iraq-CIA-WMD-spin has ruined the US' intelligence credibility for the next 20 years.
What you are choosing to believe here is a story in a newspaper. Neither the CIA nor Dutch Intelligence issue press releases when they have a success, or even if they have, or had, an operation. You will only find out about their failures so any determination of credibility are, well, not very smart.

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Finally, some more war would show the voters the decisive and aggressive stance of republican presidents defending the US against all evil, and could reinforce the will to vote republican. Or so.

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Clearly you don't know the mood of the country. Any strike on Iran before the election, without a significant casus belli, would be a disaster for Republicans.
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Re: Dutch Intelligence :US to attack Iran

Since Goober posted this, I have been looking for a corroborating stories about this. In looking for them, I found nothing but the De Telagraaf article which came out on Friday. I should think that something would be out to support this in three days. It's a pretty hot item. However, the original article only states that they got their information from some "well-informed sources" (and no names of those sources). I know for a fact that the media really hates to put articles out there with unnamed sources. They will, if there is other information to back them up. This article has none.

Even so, other media outlets have had three days to find additional information. They haven't done so in three days.

It's looking mighty suspicious at this point. It's weak, at best.

Here is a translation of the De Telagraaf story (that the Jerusalem Post, linked to in the OP, subsequently used as a source):
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De Telagraaf, The Netherlands

Dutch Spies Quit Iran Due to 'Imminent U.S. Attack'



"The operation, described as being extremely successful, was halted in connection with plans for an imminent U.S. air strike on Iran using unmanned aerial vehicles. ... Targets of the strike are directly linked to the Dutch espionage operation."



By Joost de Haas and Bart Mos



Translated By Jan de Nijs



August 29, 2008



The Netherlands - De Telegraaf - Original Article (Dutch)

The Dutch Intelligence Service AIVD [Algemene Inlichtingen- en Veiligheidsdienst or General Intelligence and Security Service ] has in recent years been running a top secret operation inside Iran with the aim of infiltrating and sabotaging the weapons industry of the Islamic republic.



The operation, described as being extremely successful, was recently discontinued in connection of plans for an imminent U.S. air strike on Iran. Well-informed sources have told De Telegraaf, some of the targets of the strike are directly linked to the Dutch espionage operation.



NUCLEAR BOMB



Tehran is widely suspected of working on an atomic bomb and refusing to comply with demands by the West to stop enriching uranium.



One of the agents, who under the supervision of the AIVD managed to infiltrate the Iranian weapons industry, was recently recalled because of a decision by the United States, within the next few weeks, to begin air strikes against Iran using unmanned aerial vehicles. Potential targets are allegedly not limited to nuclear facilities, but also include military installations that have been identified with the help of the operation of the AIVD. According to De Telegraaf's sources, over the last few years the Dutch agency has been sharing information gleaned from this operation with the American intelligence agency CIA.



The Dutch operation also managed to sabotage or prevent the delivery of missile parts and launch vehicles. Since 2006, Iran has been hit with U.N. sanctions three times because of its nuclear ambitions. Western intelligence agencies fear that the land of the Ayatollahs will have a nuclear capability at its disposal by 2010. Iranian President Ahmadinejad regularly threatens to wipe Israel off the map.
Dutch Spies Quit Iran Due to 'Imminent U.S. Attack': From De Telegraaf of The Netherlands

Decide for yourself if this three-day old story without any corroborating stories since, is worth a second look. My take at this point is I've given it as much attention as I should.
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Re: Dutch Intelligence :US to attack Iran

is this the impending attack that's been coming for years????
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As chemical weapons were found in Iraq, your claim that the weapons were non-existent is incorrect.
Not according to the White House.
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Re: Dutch Intelligence :US to attack Iran

If this is true, the Dutch Intel Services have some serious house cleaning to do.
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