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Old 09-04-2008
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Re: Palin Speech

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Here's the bottom line on the Palin speech, I didn't see anyone who I would want to be president on stage while she was talking.
She's a nice enough person, but I don't see her in the Oval Office, or being a 72 year old heart beat away from the oval office.
And I worry about the mental processes of a guy who would choose her for that position.
That's understandable.

You don't agree with her on the issues, which is fair.

This is my primary beef with Obama.

I don't care how good his speeches are I wouldn't vote for him.
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I just want to be helpfull. When there is nothing to defend on major issues you need negative campaigning or focus on other issues

The major issue for the people in the US is the economy but the last thing Mc Cain and the republican party needs is to talk about are the economy and financial issues.

So palin was in some ways a clever pic. Her field are mainly moral and social issues anti arbortion anti gay straight conservative base issues.... If Mc cain for example would have nominated Romney the economy and financial issue would have been more in focus but there you will clearly lose because the democrats will beat you all the way here because of Bush and his record and the present situation.
I think Sarah Palin has a wide range of issues she can speak from experience on.....one of them is energy and how it effects our economy.
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Yeah, that's hypocritical.

What really bugged me was the feeling that I got, like if a guest comes to your house but then insults you. There were some really smug moments there that work best by politicians who we already know. We don't know this individual yet, and she came out and actually sounded like she's been in Washington for quite some time.

On You Tube right now there are people sounding off, including an Americorps guy whose giving a big FUCK YOU to Palin for what he feels is someone coming out of nowhere and demeaning the community work that him and his family do. And I kind of felt the same way at points, since my retired father and mom have turned into "community organizers", my dad helping people with their finances and getting their books in order and trying to help them save their homes, and my mom working with people who need help reading and writing.

I come from a background like that, and I don't think she did herself any favors by being the new kid on the block who comes into your house and tells you what for.

It's belittling to regular people, actually.
Oh, please, Jason. There is nothing - nothing she could have said or done last night that you would have commented on favorably.

Are your parents claiming their noble volunteer work qualifies either of them to be President of the United States? Of course not.

If you take off your partisan blinders for a moment, you might see the difference.

As for belittling, your "giving head" comments pretty much kill any right you have to complain there.

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Old 09-04-2008
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Re: Palin Speech

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I think Sarah Palin has a wide range of issues she can speak from experience on.....one of them is energy and how it effects our economy.
She had a good chance yesterday and no she has not a wide range of topics at least she had not present it to the public. Even on the energy topic she has a very specific backround .

I think Mc cain can not win this election but Obama can lose it.

If the democrates focus on the issues economy housing crises middle class fianancial situation last eight years Bush and so on and on...... they will win this time and with a comfortable margin.
For example the argumentation line used in my post. They just have to tell the people that the republicans do simply not deserve another four years afte rthe last eight.

Mc Cain has a much tougher job here. At least he inspired the republican base and this was not easy for him given the fact who he is. But as said he can not have a real discussion on the main issues or he will lose. There is no doubt about that. It´s a democratic year and mood within the US. If Mc cain wins he made a unbelivable good job.
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This is gonna be a tough sell because only one station is willing to cover the RNC fairly without throwing out sarcastic remarks about everything.

Just tune into MSNBC and you'll get a prime example of the petty sniping that they've been doing.

NBC cut out the the Fred Thompson speech and censored the convention hall response to Bush's speech. It made Bush look like he had zero response when he gave his televised speech from the White House.
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She had a good chance yesterday and no she has not a wide range of topics at least she had not present it to the public. Even on the energy topic she has a very specific backround .

I think Mc cain can not win this election but Obama can lose it.

If the democrates focus on the issues economy housing crises middle class fianancial situation last eight years Bush and so on and on...... they will win this time and with a comfortable margin.
For example the argumentation line used in my post. They just have to tell the people that the republicans do simply not deserve another four years afte rthe last eight.

Mc Cain has a much tougher job here. At least he inspired the republican base and this was not easy for him given the fact who he is. But as said he can not have a real discussion on the main issues or he will lose. There is no doubt about that. It´s a democratic year and mood within the US. If Mc cain wins he made a unbelivable good job.
That's your opinion.

I wonder why other countries love our Democrats so much. (sarcasm)



I think the mood of my country is shifting.


The press is being exposed for their one-sided reporting.

I get the feeling that Americans are beginning to feel they've been fooled by the press all of these years.
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The strange thing is i am a conservative in my country but a fiscal and economic conservative and therefor i could never vote for a party that elected Bush but i have huge problems with th econservative party in my country because of the same reasons.

Mc cain performed better than expected in my oppinion as said he got the republicnas on board but looking at the national polls and the state polls it is still Obamas to lose. he has several ways to win th ewhite house and in my oppinion the next week or the after convention polls are mor ethna important.
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Old 09-04-2008
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Re: Palin Speech

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Some of the truth stretching from the RNC

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention - Yahoo! News

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.

Don't they know that things like this are easy to check and the only people they are fooling are their base.

I think you should lay off her. Kinda sexist.

She's the Governor of the country's largest state. And she's looked corruption right in the face and smacked it down. She'll bring real change to the White House.
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Old 09-04-2008
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Re: Palin Speech

Personally I thought it was a pretty good, well prepared, and well delivered speach. While I might not agree with everything she said I do find it rather funny how many of you considered it such a "failure" of a speach. Is it just the liberal response to anything she could have said up there? Some preset response to suggest that it was terrible?

I just have to add... you dems still think it was such a hot idea to go after her for coming from a small town?
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Personally I thought it was a pretty good, well prepared, and well delivered speach. While I might not agree with everything she said I do find it rather funny how many of you considered it such a "failure" of a speach. Is it just the liberal response to anything she could have said up there? Some preset response to suggest that it was terrible?

I just have to add... you dems still think it was such a hot idea to go after her for coming from a small town?
I agreed with pretty much everything she said.

I love the comment about the styrofoam pillers. That was classic.

Like the pins say, she's America's hottest VP!
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Old 09-04-2008
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That's the problem with Palin shes so ridiculiously "exactly like us" that she isn't qualified to lead the entire damned free world.
Yeah, we need a Party-1st elitist with a 'Messiah' complex who has no idea what being an average American is like, who has never accomplished anything in his poloitical career except publish two memoirs, who believes the road to the Presidency is a 'road to self-discover' and not about being a servant to the people who may elect him.

We need a self-serving Party-1st Socialisy whose experience that qualifies him for the job consists of attending a Muslim school and taking part in Muslim prayer practices, smoking pot and snorting coke at 17, and seeking out a racist hate-filled anti-American 'church' founded in Socialist doctrine and run by a racist hate-teaching self-proclaimed 'reverend', a man chosen as a mentor and who claims Obama is exactly who one might think he is for remaining in that church for 20 years and only choosing to leave when his political chance started taking hits for staying.

Yeah, we need a socialist politician who began authoring legislation calling for the government to obtain the power to dictate to private businesses how much they can/will pay their employees becuase the millionaire Senators - servants of the people - believe CEOs make too much.

Yeah, we need an inexperienced politician with ties to Muslims (Barak Hussein Obama) who accuse of our own troops of targeting and murdering women and children in Afghanistan, who send our top generals to do a job and report back but conduct a character assassination (calling that same general a liar and a traitor) before allowing the general to complete his mission by giving his report before the same Congress that sent him off on the task!

We need an inexperienced and moronic Commander-n-Chief who has said he will meet unconditionally with the leader of Iran, the man who says he wants a Muslim-Only world, will nuke Israel, drive the rest of them in the sea, come after the U.S. next, and aided the 9/11 perpetraitors get into the country.

We need a POTUS who said he would invade and bomb an ally, Pakistan! We need a POTUS who is SO Party-1st that he refuses to admit even what his fellow Liberals has acknowledged - that THE SURGE WORKED, and the U.S.is at the very doorstep of final victory in Iraq! Our troops deserve a Commander-n-Chief who does everything within his power to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, who is such a friggin' political hack that he threatens to cut military spending for TROOPS IN COMBAT IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR!

We need a POTUS who will promise change, as the DNC did 2 years ago after taking back control of Congress and much like he is doing now, but who will fail to do ANYTHING to keep that promise - exactly as he and the DNC has done in the last 2 years. We need a POTUS who is a FAILED SENATOR, who accomplished nothing, who was the Chairman of a Committee that NEVER MET EVEN ONCE (yet he got paid extra for being the committee chairman), who never successfully authored any legislation, and failed to represent the state that elected him as he voted 'Present' the majority of his times because he sought to remain neutral to protect his chances to run for the POTUS later rather than represent his constituents! We need to elect a leader of the DNC who helped secure the lowest recorded Congressional approval rating in American history, one that remains even lower than President Bush - 7 of every 10 Americans despise the Democrats who have failed to do anything in Congress. Congress is where the real work in this country gets politically accomplished, and Obama FAILED TO DO ANYTHING THERE! (WHO on this board has goofed off and failed in their job but has been promoted at work? Why the H* does Obama think HE deserves to be promoted, then?)

Our Nation deserves a man of such great moral and ethical fiber, with such great family values: He believes that a baby laying on an operating table, alive and trying to stay that way after a failed attempted abortion, should be considered MEDICAL WASTE, that it is the mother's right to have an abortion, that she had planned to do so, and that it is still her right to 'abort' the baby out of the womb fighting for life! And such close-knit, warm family values - while Obama and Michelle are living it up as millionaires in fine houses, cars, etc, we now know that Obama has a brother living in a shack!

"Palin is so ridiculiously "exactly like us" that she isn't qualified to lead the entire damned free world."

We finally have a politician who is from the people, of the people, and by the people! We have someone who is not a jaded, Washington Insider career politician who is focused only on keeping her own job, making as much personal wealth as possible, and acquiring as much personal and party power as possible! In Palin we finally have a fresh politician who remembers the REAL reason politicians go to Washington and in what capacity they are suppose to go - as SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE!

The best person for the job to be a politician to represent Americans is a reluctant one who does not even want to go - someone like George Washington, who believed serving in politics should be like jury duty in order to prevent the disaterous trend of self-promoting criminal career politicians. Palin is the closet thing to that reluctant innocent politician who knows d@mn well that the job is about serving the people and not politicians demanding the American people serve THEM in a long time!

God bless her! And God bless her for not only exposing that 'King' Obama isn't wearing any clothes but for also reminding all of us what the role of all of our politicians is supposed to be but unfortunately IS NOT today and HAS not been for a very long time!
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Old 09-04-2008
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We finally have a politician who is from the people, of the people, and by the people! We have someone who is not a jaded, Washington Insider career politician who is focused only on keeping her own job, making as much personal wealth as possible, and acquiring as much personal and party power as possible!
Yes you do. McCain, your Presidential canidate, has been in Washington for over 20 years. He is absolutely a career politician. People keep forgetting that when they make statements like this.
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Re: Palin Speech

Getting Back to the topic of the thread.......
I have seen about half the speech so far....I think she did a very good job..I would say equally as good as Obama's.
She was concise, made good fencing jabs and came across VERY strong.
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Yes you do. McCain, your Presidential canidate, has been in Washington for over 20 years. He is absolutely a career politician. People keep forgetting that when they make statements like this.
He has been in Washington for over 20 years, and he has infuriated politicians on both sides of the asisle during that time, branded as a Maverick becuase he is NOT Party 1st and acts often in the best interest of the American people 1st!
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Here's the bottom line on the Palin speech, I didn't see anyone who I would want to be president on stage while she was talking.
She's a nice enough person, but I don't see her in the Oval Office, or being a 72 year old heart beat away from the oval office.
And I worry about the mental processes of a guy who would choose her for that position.
funny. Osama has the same problem. cept' his old man does have health problems. did you know that?????
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