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namvet · #**166** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

Getting Back to the topic of the thread.......
I have seen about half the speech so far....I think she did a very good job..I would say equally as good as Obama's.
She was concise, made good fencing jabs and came across VERY strong.

nice brass knuckles to.

Easyt65 · #**167** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

I am more worried about the inexperienced socialist nut job who is vying for the job as POTUS and would take over immediately after being elected more than a well-grounded VP who 'might' have to take over some day.

Sluggo · #**168** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by biggyg2

Yes you do. McCain, your Presidential canidate, has been in Washington for over 20 years. He is absolutely a career politician. People keep forgetting that when they make statements like this.

Fine, so you take both of them and put their records on debate. You ask yourself which one of the two has done more reaching across the aisle looking to actually acomplish something. You then ask which one has some experience in looking for change, going against your party, and perhaps get to a new direction in doing so. McCain may not be perfect, nor is Palin, but at least you'd have 2 that have some, any, record of trying to go against the grain so to speak.

People keep forgetting when they make statements about McCain in favor for Obama that all of a sudden Obama represents some sort of real change outside of which party is in the white house. Where is his major non partisan effort or legislation in which he aided at all bring sides together?

Now they, as in McCain and Palin, do not have my vote just yet but at least I am seeing a couple names doing something to actually promote change outside of a political party. Using a couple of histories here of not voting and doing all the time what a party tells them to. Again, not perfect... not totally convinced yet... but far more than a few speaches from a couple of true libs with no intention of reform or bring parties together to get something done.

Man I woke up on the wrong side of the coffee cup this am.

Steve · #**169** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Danny

Is this woman for real? This speech sucks balls.

Of course you would think that, as your boys are being taken to task.

Palin pulled down Obama's panties and spanked his ass in public. I loved her "community organizer/Mayor" comparison.

Before she was nominated, I was pretty much thinking that this election was all but in the bag for Obama/Biden. Now, though, it's pretty clear that it's going to be a horse race. Sarah Palin isn't just a good lookin' skirt. She's smart, articulate, and doesn't strike me as someone who's gonna' back down when the going gets tough.

This just turned into a real contest.

I can't wait to see her debate with Biden...

Imperator · #**170** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Danny

I guarantee the media will label this speech as sub par and maybe even a disaster. She looks horrible.

guess you're wrong....wee little georgie steph. gave it a a b c.....

I dont't care what the media says about it frankly...

she looks horrible?

being pathologically predisposed can be treated you know...

Richyrich03867 · #**171** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

In terms of the purpose of a convention speech, which I believe is to rouse the delegates and create enthusiasm, more style over real substance, I think her speech was far and away the best one I saw in either convention. Michelle Obama's was pretty good, former Pres. Clinton's was very good, but Gov. Palin's was extraordinary. I would say it was the best speech I have seen at a convention since Ronald Reagan in 1980, or perhaps even better than Barry Goldwater's in 1964, which is thought to be ground zero for the conservative movement in this country.

Imperator · #**172** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by wooyarn

Some of the truth stretching from the RNC

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention - Yahoo! News

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.

Don't they know that things like this are easy to check and the only people they are fooling are their base.

fact every state has resources ...the key is HOW you MANAGE them....hello...

Imperator · #**173** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

She lives in a welfare state of her own damn creation!

The people of Alaska pay less taxes than most Americans, but then they lobby Washington and have the federal gov't pay their way.

Fucking ridiculous. That's not leadership.

That's called being a welfare bum.

Conservatives like to talk about responsibility, but where is it?

Mayor Palin left a huge deficit for Wasilla, and now Gov.Palin has the economic philosophy that Washington should simply take care of Alaska.

Her speech was great if you're already a hardline conservative who has absolutely no morals on the economy by advocating the financing of wars with tax cuts, but for everyone else, including moderates like myself, I haven't heard one damn thing that suggests McCain/Palin will reform or change anything.

More spending, more borrowing, more tax cuts. That's suicide.

If America swings her way and ends up liking her because she's "like one of us" than there's really no saving America from plunderers and the lions in sheep clothing on display at the RNC, who are certainly not conservative.

They are liberal-fascist.

so now you are all about the welfare bums? Since when?

lets see jason...you have any idea what a tax credit is and how is it applied and used in the tax structure?

I bet no...so go google it..... yea, tell me about welfare....if obama gets elected he'll shower the "middle class" NOT with tax CUTS BUT tax CREDITS.......think on that a bit...

AkDiesel · #**174** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

She must have done some thing right.... as there is a larger number of posters here talking about the speech and for the other side....
And then there is the London Sun with thisPalin strikes back at critics | The Sun |News|Columnists|Fergus Shanahan

For once in all of the political dog and pony shows I did listen to the 40 minute speech... good touch on Truman..

Most of the top reasons a good number here do not like her is that she is from out side and not in side and is very likely to stay that way.

We all need to remind our selfs that it is NOT the Pres or VP that spends the money or makes the laws, it is CONGRESS!!!! The 535 men and women that are seated in a over blown building with their noses in the air telling us what we can and can not do.

In short even the best of ideas from the Pres can go down in flames if Congress says NO!!!

Richyrich03867 · #**175** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

I take back what I said. Palin's speech is the best one I have heard at a convention since Ann Richards' keynote speech at the 1988 DNC. I think Palin's was slightly better.

Tanngrisnir3 · #**176** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

Palin pulled down Obama's panties and spanked his ass in public. I loved her "community organizer/Mayor" comparison.

Yeah. I heard smarmy, play-to-the-faithful baubles being tossed to the social conservatives, but certainly not a spanking.

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Before she was nominated, I was pretty much thinking that this election was all but in the bag for Obama/Biden. Now, though, it's pretty clear that it's going to be a horse race.

Based on one speech? She didn't win over any new converts or undecides with platitudes straight out of central casting. Even repubs weren't all that enthused. Did you happen to notice the empty seats?

Quite telling, I thought.

Oh, and what were the ratings for that time slot?

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Sarah Palin isn't just a good lookin' skirt. She's smart, articulate, and doesn't strike me as someone who's gonna' back down when the going gets tough.

No, she's all that and also under investigation for abuse of power in her home state. It's serious enough that it looks like McCain is attempting to slow down any progress in it. When the other side, well-versed in hardball, Chicago politics chooses to bring that to the fore, she's likely done.

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This just turned into a real contest.

I can't wait to see her debate with Biden...

I, too, look forward to that.

biggyg2 · #**177** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AkDiesel

We all need to remind our selfs that it is NOT the Pres or VP that spends the money or makes the laws, it is CONGRESS!!!! The 535 men and women that are seated in a over blown building with their noses in the air telling us what we can and can not do.

If only the American delegates didn't choose two Senators for President from that same environment.....

Richyrich03867 · #**178** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

Based on one speech? She didn't win over any new converts or undecides with platitudes straight out of central casting. Even repubs weren't all that enthused. Did you happen to notice the empty seats?

No, she's all that and also under investigation for abuse of power in her home state. It's serious enough that it looks like McCain is attempting to slow down any progress in it. When the other side, well-versed in hardball, Chicago politics chooses to bring that to the fore, she's likely done.

Unenthusiastic? I thought it was like watching the crowd at an Univ of Alabama football game. She did exactly what this type of speech calls for. The investigation of which you speak is over her attempts to have a State Trooper supervisor fired, for refusing to fire a subordinate that is accused of, among other misdeeds, tasering his own 10-year-old stepson. If that is true regardless of his status as a former brother-in-law, the guy is not fit for police work.

Steve · #**179** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

Yeah. I heard smarmy, play-to-the-faithful baubles being tossed to the social conservatives, but certainly not a spanking.

I heard a no-bullshit lady saying what was on her mind. She didn't sugar coat anything and, yes, she spanked Obama, especially with her "Mayor/community organizer" comparison...

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Based on one speech? She didn't win over any new converts or undecides with platitudes straight out of central casting. Even repubs weren't all that enthused

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To be fair, though, these speeches are nothing more than preaching to the choir. The Dems did the same thing. There's nothing wrong with it, it just is what it is.

And there were plenty of Republicans who were enthused after that speech...

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Did you happen to notice the empty seats?

Quite telling, I thought.

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Oh, and what were the ratings for that time slot?

How odd.

So, because there are empty seats, it equates to the speaker's message not being a solid one? If ratings are down, it means it was a shitty speech?

What it tells me is that a lot of people didn't hear a damn good speech...

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No, she's all that and also under investigation for abuse of power in her home state. It's serious enough that it looks like McCain is attempting to slow down any progress in it.

I've not heard anything like that about McCain. As for her being under investigation, so what? That certainly doesn't negate he viability as a candidate...

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When the other side, well-versed in hardball, Chicago politics chooses to bring that to the fore, she's likely done.

When pasts are compared, Obama and Biden are going to get the shit-ed of the stick, primarily due to Obama and his acquaintances.

I hope the idiot left completely dismisses her...

Steve · #**180** (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

It's funny, but the only people who are saying that it was a bad speech are people here on USPOL. It seems as if everyonoe else in the English speaking world recognizes it for waht it was: A damn good speech...

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