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Old 09-07-2008
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Hehe. Fun ain't it?
Do you so doubt the power of the President to improve the nation that you think it's good when our political discourse is reduced to a highschool prom king and queen election? Or do you just want your side to win. There's nothing "fun" when such a hugely important decision as who should be President is decided on these silly personal questions.
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There's nothing "fun" when such a hugely important decision as who should be President is decided on these silly personal questions.
You're not one to talk about irrelevent attacks. Now that it's backfiring on your side you want to call foul.
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ou're not one to talk about irrelevent attacks. Now that it's backfiring on your side you want to call foul.
What were the irrelevant attacks "my side" was doing?
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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008
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Old 09-07-2008
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Hehe. Fun ain't it?

But it's too late. The liberal left is too undisciplined to follow the Obama game plan.
yes it is fun.

I can see why the right likes it so much.

However, corp is correct and neednt worry. Things will calm down soon and people will get used to her pretty soon. Plus i think a few investigations are due to come out soon..
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Old 09-07-2008
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Big promises have been a normal part of politics since the end of the age of lords and kings and the introduction of universal sufferage (which granted was a process rather than an event). Its simply unfair to castigate him for something all politicians have always done and always will do.
So you don't want change.


You want things to keep going the way they always have.



I think this should change, but as you said Obama ain't the guy to do it.......


Thanks for the admission.............that Obama's change slogan is just the usual Bullshit.
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To my left wing, progressive, liberal folks out there. STOP WITH THE PALIN PERSONAL ATTACKS. It's stupid and she's teflon, people have decided that they "love her" kind of like many of us feel about Obama. So step back. Look at her record as mayor and as Governor and attack her ON THAT. Compare her speeches to her record and attack her ON THAT, this stupid hockey mom crap only helps the Republicans because it keeps the news off of the real issues and on the question of personality and who you "like" more. I don't want this election to be a popularity contest. Ignore these issues. Let the Republicans talk amongst themselves about hockey moms and teenage pregnancies. Our candidate is on the right side of 90% of the issues.
By and large most of the criticisms of Palin have been about her record. Her abuse of power, record amount of pork projects, her ignorance on every major issue, her misleading and lying about her record as governor and her surrogates whining about treatment from the press are all legit avenues to pursue.

Nevertheless, the McCain/Palin campaign and surrogates have absolutely no right to complain about personal attacks when that's all they've assaulted the Obama camp with.

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Hehe. Fun ain't it?

But it's too late. The liberal left is too undisciplined to follow the Obama game plan.
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So you don't want change.


You want things to keep going the way they always have.



I think this should change, but as you said Obama ain't the guy to do it.......


Thanks for the admission.............that Obama's change slogan is just the usual Bullshit.
I never said big promises couldnt be acheived. I beleive that all one requires in political will, especially in regard to US health care, global warming and peace.
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Old 09-07-2008
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By and large most of the criticisms of Palin have been about her record. Her abuse of power, record amount of pork projects, her ignorance on every major issue, her misleading and lying about her record as governor and her surrogates whining about treatment from the press are all legit avenues to pursue.
Too true.
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By and large most of the criticisms of Palin have been about her record. Her abuse of power, record amount of pork projects, her ignorance on every major issue, her misleading and lying about her record as governor and her surrogates whining about treatment from the press are all legit avenues to pursue.
Gimme a break. As we speak reporters are all over divorce records of her husbands business partner, trying to dig up dirt.
Politico

It's the Politics of Personal Destruction, and it's backfiring. Obama knows it and CMS knows it.

Sell it to the Air Force. I ain't buying.
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Gimme a break. As we speak reporters are all over divorce records of her husbands business partner, trying to dig up dirt.
Politico

It's the Politics of Personal Destruction, and it's backfiring. Obama knows it and CMS knows it.

Sell it to the Air Force. I ain't buying.
It is hardly politics of personal destrcution to point out:

A. She's under investigation for abuse of power and has hired defense council.
B. She has a record of putting the town she was mayor of heavily into long-term debt.
C. She has publically stated that she thinks it's god's work being done in Iraq.
D. She has offered friendly greetings to a political party who wishes to break away from the US.

Etc.....

Nothing personal whatsoever about her past ever needs to be brought up. Her historical record and actions while in office will more than suffice.
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Who Am I?

I am under 45 years old,
I love the outdoors,
I hunt,
I am a Republican reformer,
I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
I have many children,
I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor's office.

Did you guess?




I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900
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Obama campaign spreading lies about book banning.

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The smear merchants who continue to circulate the list also failed to do a simple Google search, which would have showed them that the bogus Sarah Palin Banned Book List is almost an exact copy-and-paste reproduction of a generic list of "Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States" that has been floating around the Internet for years. STACLU notes that the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud. And it's spread to craigslist, where some unhinged user is posting images likening Palin to Hitler. Here it is again.

Official Obama Website Repeats Fake Banned Book List — and Embellishes the Story! : Stop The ACLU
Official Obama Website Repeats Fake Banned Book List — and Embellishes the Story!
Posted on September 5, 2008

I honestly think I was among the first, if not the very first, to figure out that the alleged list of books that Governor Palin is accused of trying to have banned. When I first saw “the list”, I wrote a comment at the site where I saw the claim. I “called BS” because it is just implausible on its face that any one single human being would want that broad a scope of subjects (pretty much every book you’ve ever heard of) banned. I very easily demonstrated that the list was a fake as applied to Governor Palin and wrote about it here at STACLU.

That post did the trick. Sort of. The original site where I saw the claim/smear/very clumsy bit of libel to its credit posted an update that said in part “This list might not in fact reflect the books Sarah Palin wanted banned.” Good enough, but the toothpaste is out of the tube, and even at that updated post, this very afternoon, people are still posting “hey, I have the real list!” and linking to the same thing.

For those who didn’t click through to my earlier STACLU post on this, I’ll provide this link again as the likely source for the original hoaxster’s (someone named Andrew Aucoin) list.

But with the hoax decisively put down, the official Obama/Biden campaign website (may I presume that Barack Obama is somehow affiliated with BarackObama.com?) is this day not only repeating the hoax list, but has embellished the story, adding the following:

“This is the list that comes from the records of the Wasilla library…[snip]…This information is taken from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board.”
And then, of course, the Obama/Biden campaign site repeats the “list” of practically every book ever sought to be banned by anyone in the United States during the course of its history — all attributed to Governor Palin, who must have been Governor for at least 100 years to have read and been dismayed by all those books.

Here’s the link to the Obama site with the repeated and embellished hoax.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Invalid URL
Here’s a link to a .pdf of the Obama site because one imagines that first link will be erased within an hour of my post here.
http://courtzero.org/obamaembellisheshoaxlist.pdf

UPDATE: I didn’t notice the first time, but there is a comment at the end of the Obama/Biden website entry. It seems they have a vetting problem over there: “I have no way to vet this information. But it should be taken into consideration for whatever value it has”. New .pdf with comment included.


American Thinker Blog: Another Sarah Palin smear nailed

Banned Books 2006
The moral of the story......don't believe anything that press says about Sarah Palin. And especially don't believe anything that is on an Obama site concerning Sarah Palin.
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Obama campaign spreading lies about book banning.

The moral of the story......don't believe anything that press says about Sarah Palin. And especially don't believe anything that is on an Obama site concerning Sarah Palin.
Nobody cares about right-wing sources that are based in ideology first and objectivity rarely if at all.

Please explain to me how the Obama campaign controls the newspaper just down the block from Palin's hometown.

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Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.

According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn't fully support her and had to go.

Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.
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Obama campaign spreading lies about book banning.



The moral of the story......don't believe anything that press says about Sarah Palin. And especially don't believe anything that is on an Obama site concerning Sarah Palin.
Well, that's not going to work, or at least shouldn't, and it would be disappointing if American voters fall for that cop-out. Moreover, she'll lose out on defining for herself what's true and what's not and what's somewhere in between as to her, never mind not defining what she stands for and proving she's fit for the job--and rightly so for being a chicken.

It does seem to me that she tried to set herself up prophylatically by accusing the press of 'bias' against her in her RNC speech and now is largely avoiding press. My guess is that she is doing this to avoid press scrutiny of her and/or try to discredit any negative press on her by strawmanning it as 'biased.' Members of the McCain camp are already playing the 'biased press will pick on her' claim. But that's phooey.

She's in the big leagues now. She must prove she has a spine, and not merely claim to have one but lacks one. That means she has to get used to all the sensational press diggings plus all the legitimate criticising and diggings into her life and her record. The public has a right to a full investigation of anyone seeking any office, never mind the highest office. Moreover, it just comes with the turf. Everyone gets it, and a person has to handle and deal with it. And she must engage the press for all the good and bad that comes with it.

Male or female, a person seeking the highest offices must be a pitbull, and not a snappy poodle who barks and runs. The latter is a coward.

A real pitbull--and the proven real deal on the merits--is her:



A British citizen, a woman, a conservative, a bulldog. And she was damn effective too.

Look how much different Thatcher proves and argues her case in Parliament. She jousts at the liberals, is able to take their jousts, and explains a masterful knowledge of her positions on the issues and how to combat the liberals by equally knowing theirs:

Thatcher: "No! No! No!"

Palin getting on stage for 12 minutes, painting herself self-servingly as a nice average jane with family (irrelevant, given many have nice families), taking a few non-issue gratuitous potshots at Obama, criticising the press as 'being against her' and whinging from surrugates about 'how sexist' certain rootings are, etc, and now going into hiding from the 'evil press' is going to be taken as cowardly and telling that she isn't fit for the job.

Maybe she's hoping for the 'impulse purchase' that people will vote for her after 10 minutes of non-issue talk and she can within the 60 days get away with not being properly scrutinised.

Maybe that's the gamble. But, 60 days is a long time in politics for the opposition and the press to knock her down. And people are going to assume she's hiding from the press because there is indeed much to hide insofar as her character and fitness. That's the penalty she will pay. If she claims to be the 'pitbull' she better be more like a Thatcher and not a chicken.

And given how piddle and weak the American press is compared to other presses in the British Commonwealth, Ireland, France, Germany, etc, where the press is informed and relentless and where politicians like Thatcher are expected to be fully prepared as well as take shots like cross-examination, it's not much of a burden here in the US to deal with the soft stuff they serve.
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I never said big promises couldnt be acheived. I beleive that all one requires in political will, especially in regard to US health care, global warming and peace.
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