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Old 09-07-2008
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Well, that's not going to work, or at least shouldn't, and it would be disappointing if American voters fall for that cop-out. Moreover, she'll lose out on defining for herself what's true and what's not and what's somewhere in between as to her, never mind not defining what she stands for and proving she's fit for the job--and rightly so for being a chicken.

It does seem to me that she tried to set herself up prophylatically by accusing the press of 'bias' against her in her RNC speech and now is largely avoiding press. My guess is that she is doing this to avoid press scrutiny of her and/or try to discredit any negative press on her by strawmanning it as 'biased.' Members of the McCain camp are already playing the 'biased press will pick on her' claim. But that's phooey.

She's in the big leagues now. She must prove she has a spine, and not merely claim to have one but lacks one. That means she has to get used to all the sensational press diggings plus all the legitimate criticising and diggings into her life and her record. The public has a right to a full investigation of anyone seeking any office, never mind the highest office. Moreover, it just comes with the turf. Everyone gets it, and a person has to handle and deal with it. And she must engage the press for all the good and bad that comes with it.

Male or female, a person seeking the highest offices must be a pitbull, and not a snappy poodle who barks and runs. The latter is a coward.

A real pitbull--and the proven real deal on the merits--is her:



A British citizen, a woman, a conservative, a bulldog. And she was damn effective too.

Look how much different Thatcher proves and argues her case in Parliament. She jousts at the liberals, is able to take their jousts, and explains a masterful knowledge of her positions on the issues and how to combat the liberals by equally knowing theirs:

Thatcher: "No! No! No!"

Palin getting on stage for 12 minutes, painting herself self-servingly as a nice average jane with family (irrelevant, given many have nice families), taking a few non-issue gratuitous potshots at Obama, criticising the press as 'being against her' and whinging from surrugates about 'how sexist' certain rootings are, etc, and now going into hiding from the 'evil press' is going to be taken as cowardly and telling that she isn't fit for the job.

Maybe she's hoping for the 'impulse purchase' that people will vote for her after 10 minutes of non-issue talk and she can within the 60 days get away with not being properly scrutinised.

Maybe that's the gamble. But, 60 days is a long time in politics for the opposition and the press to knock her down. And people are going to assume she's hiding from the press because there is indeed much to hide insofar as her character and fitness. That's the penalty she will pay. If she claims to be the 'pitbull' she better be more like a Thatcher and not a chicken.

And given how piddle and weak the American press is compared to other presses in the British Commonwealth, Ireland, France, Germany, etc, where the press is informed and relentless and where politicians like Thatcher are expected to be fully prepared as well as take shots like cross-examination, it's not much of a burden here in the US to deal with the soft stuff they serve.
The leftys are willing to suck up any lie the press or the Obama campaign comes up with.

You and I both know that the press is biased and it really doesn't matter how prepared she is........they will editorialize anything she says.

I think it is a mistake to shelter her from the press because I don't think they need to.

But I don't blame them after the way the press has been acting.

Isn't true that protesters got their press credentials from journalists?

Didn't the press aid in their entry into the RNC in order to disrupt McCains speech.

Far as the McCain camp is concerned.......the press is the enemy and should be treated as a continual threat.
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Far as the McCain camp is concerned.......the press is the enemy and should be treated as a continual threat.
If the same press that gets invited to barbecues at the McCain house, is referred to by McCain himself as his base, and brings McCain his favorite donuts is his enemy, it'd be interested to see what a friend would do for him...
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If the same press that gets invited to barbecues at the McCain house, is referred to by McCain himself as his base, and brings McCain his favorite donuts is his enemy, it'd be interested to see what a friend would do for him...
You point is what?

Haven't you been keeping up on current events?

I've got news for you, things have changed.
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You point is what?

Haven't you been keeping up on current events?

I've got news for you, things have changed.
Or maybe you're just operating out of a position of ignorance.

Yeah, that's the ticket...
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Or maybe you're just operating out of a position of ignorance.

Yeah, that's the ticket...
You know talking like that is against the rules.
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You know talking like that is against the rules.
Where? I've been on another forum for a while, and haven't been here for quite some time, so I'm not up to date on procedures.
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Where? I've been on another forum for a while, and haven't been here for quite some time, so I'm not up to date on procedures.
It shows.
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I don't understand these claims of X's campaign is saying somthing through surrogates. No doubt, there are some floating around. However, saying that Palin is playing the gender card - as in the don't-pick-on-me-because-I'm-a-woman claim - through surrogates would have to be as valid as claiming BHO is playing the race card through surrogates.

Neither BHO or Palin have played their cards. Perhaps surrogates have from each camp, but that is a very difficult claim to support.
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Old 09-07-2008
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The leftys are willing to suck up any lie the press or the Obama campaign comes up with.

You and I both know that the press is biased and it really doesn't matter how prepared she is........they will editorialize anything she says.

I think it is a mistake to shelter her from the press because I don't think they need to.

But I don't blame them after the way the press has been acting.

Isn't true that protesters got their press credentials from journalists?

Didn't the press aid in their entry into the RNC in order to disrupt McCains speech.

Far as the McCain camp is concerned.......the press is the enemy and should be treated as a continual threat.
Palin will do just fine in interviews once she gets up to speed on how the national media operates. They are going to spin it no matter what she says but it's important for her to be familiar with how they do that. It's important for everyone but most are too lazy.

Media Bias - The Tricks and Techniques

I've seen some of the interviews she's done this year and she did just fine, but that was outside of the hyper-partisan atmosphere. In one interview she even took the Bush administration to task for going to the Saudi's hat in hand to increase oil production. I'll probably post some of it tomorrow.
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Old 09-08-2008
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Welcome to Disneyland.

Well, being a Republican you must be very familiar with the place.

Anyway, you dont try you dont get. Its not exactly, going to the moon either. Americans are quite capable of these achievements or playing their part in these achieivements. A bit more country before self interest should do the trick.
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