Liberals like you are the people that specialize in belittling others. Sarah Palin is a perfect example, a hardworking "Hockey" mom who's risen to the highest political office in her state by challenging the status qou. She has the highest approval rating of any governor in the United States! It is people like here that are the backbone of this country. Not elite media members, ACLU lawyers and "community activists".

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I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

That's the problem with Palin shes so ridiculiously "exactly like us" that she isn't qualified to lead the entire damned free world.

She lives in a welfare state of her own damn creation!

The people of Alaska pay less taxes than most Americans, but then they lobby Washington and have the federal gov't pay their way.

Fucking ridiculous. That's not leadership.

That's called being a welfare bum.

Conservatives like to talk about responsibility, but where is it?

Mayor Palin left a huge deficit for Wasilla, and now Gov.Palin has the economic philosophy that Washington should simply take care of Alaska.

Her speech was great if you're already a hardline conservative who has absolutely no morals on the economy by advocating the financing of wars with tax cuts, but for everyone else, including moderates like myself, I haven't heard one damn thing that suggests McCain/Palin will reform or change anything.

More spending, more borrowing, more tax cuts. That's suicide.

If America swings her way and ends up liking her because she's "like one of us" than there's really no saving America from plunderers and the lions in sheep clothing on display at the RNC, who are certainly not conservative.

They are liberal-fascist.

A POW and a Hockey mom don't deserve to lead America just because of those designations.

John McCain is a hero and that deserves my respect and gratitude, but not my vote.

Liberals like me?

Tell me this: I want to cut spending and reduce the size of the bloated federal gov't, which Republicans have expanded over the last 8 years. Is that Liberal to you?

I want a national energy strategy with a strong component having to do with conservation. Is that Liberal to you?

I want to stop borrowing billions of dollars from China and Japan and get the books in order. Nothing liberal about that.

The Republican argument in this election is that McCain/Palin are saviors the conservatives have been waiting for. Gov Palin tonight railed against the Washington establishment, which I laughed out loud at, since McCain is a part of that problem.

They say "Cut Taxes" and "Cut Spending". Okay then. What the fuck are they proposing?

Not one of their minions on here can explain to me what they would actually do, what they would cut.

Go ahead, attack me some more to deflect from the fact that you have no fucking clue what you support. Says something about you, not me, because I argue for fiscal restraint all the time, and on conservatives this falls on deaf ears.

Let's get back to the topic. Palin's speech was just great. Obama's speech pales in comparison.
AP, Which Threw Cold Water on Obama Address, Calls Palin Speech 'Star-Turning'

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Tell me this: I want to cut spending and reduce the size of the bloated federal gov't, which Republicans have expanded over the last 8 years. Is that Liberal to you?


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Yes. Since the Democrats have been in control of the house and senate for four of those years. Aren't they the legislative branch? And the congress with the lowest approval rating ever?

Conveniently ignoring their active effect on increasing government sounds very liberal.

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[QUOTE=historybuff;1284108]I was talking about what I proposed, not what they proposed, but thanks for playing.


Thaynks bawt no Thaynks!-Palin

Unfortunately none of this will get discussed since both camps have relaxed into the classic US political discussion.

Obama's camp will keep saying that McCain is 4 more years of Bush. Looking from the outside, McCain doesn't look or sound like Bush.

McCain's camp will say that Obama is inexperienced. Looking from the outside Obama looks no more inexperienced than any other politician from a "new generation" trying to break into the club ruled by a previous generation.

As long as both sides concentrate on single line attacks which have nothing to do with what their policies are but only to do with their choice of "weakness" attack on their opponent no interesting debate will happen.

I totally agree with your comments but they will fall on deaf ears on both sides.

See what I mean! The "topic" is who's speech was better not what was in them.

Her speech was mean-spirited and condescending and utterly vague on policy.

Obama laid out exactly what he'd do, whether you agree with it or not. Which I don't agree with all of it.

But as a newcomer, you can't come out and act like you've been around Washington for decades, which is the huge flaw of how her speech was written, since it was written by insiders. When you're the new kid on the block, people need to feel comfortable with you first, then you can go out and attack. Otherwise, you come off like just an ass hole, which she did when she belittled hard working regular folks like my parents, who in their retirement help out others in their community without thanks.

She's a fraud who talks and behaves like a small-towner, but who will go to Washington and continue to sell the country away to the highest bidder.

Yup. Everybody is just stupid now. In the next couple days, everyone on both sides will just repeat the same talking points, while the country gets sold away. It's cynical and sinister and pretty depressing.

I want to see fiscal responsibility, and there isn't one of these two idiot parties or their surrogates who can detail how that might happen exactly. They're both big gov't ass holes who want to legislate themselves all over us.

Get out of our personal lives and our bedrooms, balance the books, and stop the stupid wars.

It's not too much to ask.

[QUOTE=Jason Marcel;1284109]Really, when you said the Republicans expanded government over the last 8 years, you were talking about what you proposed?

Dude, the Dems controlled congress for the past 4 years. That's my point. Try to keep up.

Or are you not aware that the Dems control congress and expanded government?

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Yeah, he said what he'd do, but not how he'd do it. Please cite one legislation HE authored -- not sponsored -- that was passed into law and helped the American People. (not those in the Congo.)

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While the democratic congress has not been effective (this is always difficult to do when pres, senate and congress swing multiple ways) you have got to admit that many of Bush's policies have increased spending and bureaucracy. (I'm trying to get you to debate facts here rather than do lib/rep type argument)

I don't think zero deficit is a great idea, especially if foreign countries are willing to fund it, but the US is loosing credibility (well at least attractiveness) on the bond markets and that is very dangerous. So far we've seen a correction in the dollar which is fine. A run on the dollar would be scary for the whole world.

It seems to me that the biggest problem in US politics is the lack of a selective veto for the president. If the president had a selective veto then the kind of pork that slips into bills would be thrown out and you wouldn't get this bartering along the lines of (exaggerated) "you can have your bridge if I can have my war".

[QUOTE=historybuff;1284115]Gimme a fucking break. The Dems have been in control of congress since January 07 and have made one budget. Bush asked for everything, and they bent over and gave it to him.

January 07. Not 4 years.

The Department of Homeland Security? That was Republicans. The biggest expansion of bureaucracy in the federal gov't in over a generation. And still nobody quite knows what they do exactly, except hold tons of photo-ops for Michael Chertoff.

The Dems are hardly any better.

Bill Clinton is the exception, when he closed everything down in order to ram through a bill that would actually balance the budget.

That's what you have to do these days in a country where no one takes responsibility, you have to actually shut the gov't down and force their hand.

Reagan, Bush Sr. and W never saw a spending bill they didn't like. And the buck stops with the President.

We've had nothing but incompetence from Washington, in particular from Republicans, who used to defend civil liberties and small gov't, but who have completely eschewed those core values.

It's not me, it's them. They need to take ownership of their failings, but it's impossible these days because their party is overrun with neo-con liberal-fascists who behave like Nazis, with everyone paroting the same tired talking points, and no one taking responsibility for anything.

McCain/Palin for "Change" or "Reform" is a great big joke on the good people of this country, and it's a lie until they actually propose what it is they would do.

Still waiting to hear. Maybe John McCain will illuminate for us what exactly he'd do in his speech tomorrow, but he and Palin in their stump speeches continue to defend the status quo on every important issue, or they deflect from those issues.