What change will Palin and McCain deliver? - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

htperr6565 · #1 (**permalink**) 09-03-2008

IT seems like McCain is borrowing a line from his competitor, telling us how hes gonna fix washington and make it work, through reform.

What exactly is this change?

Jason Marcel · #2 (**permalink**) 09-03-2008

Because they're going to change America! McCain and Palin are going to take on the special interests that control Washington, and they're going to cut taxes to keep the economy growing! And they're going to reduce the size of gov't by cutting.......things!

htperr6565 · #3 (**permalink**) 09-03-2008

...crickets....more crickets....

i know, this one is a stumper!!!

htperr6565 · #4 (**permalink**) 09-03-2008

Oh, so they bring change through silence?? LOL

Oreo · #5 (**permalink**) 09-03-2008

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Originally Posted by htperr6565

IT seems like McCain is borrowing a line from his competitor, telling us how hes gonna fix washington and make it work, through reform.

What exactly is this change?

Obviously, more than just WORDS given in elaborate, teleprompter speeches.

These two, McCain & Palin have actually ACCOMPLISHED change.

Jason Marcel · #6 (**permalink**) 09-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Oreo

Obviously, more than just WORDS given in elaborate, teleprompter speeches.

These two, McCain & Palin have actually ACCOMPLISHED change.

Yup, they sure have. $20 million dollars of debt in a town of 7,000 while the other supported the status quo these last 8 years in Washington while they doubled the deficit.

They're not going to change SHIT!

Which is why they haven't actually laid out one single proposal yet this entire convention other than hate-speeches.

A fucking tourist gives a speech about how the evils of the world are all Obama's and the Democrats fault while belittling working people like my folks who spend their retirement as "community organizers" and we're supposed to be inspired by that!

Jason Marcel · #7 (**permalink**) 09-03-2008

The only change I see McCain/Palin bringing America is naming new pieces of legislation after their favorite hobbies, just like how Palin does with her litter.

Oreo · #8 (**permalink**) 09-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Yup, they sure have. $20 million dollars of debt in a town of 7,000 while the other supported the status quo these last 8 years in Washington while they doubled the deficit.

They're not going to change SHIT!

Which is why they haven't actually laid out one single proposal yet this entire convention other than hate-speeches.

A fucking tourist gives a speech about how the evils of the world are all Obama's and the Democrats fault while belittling working people like my folks who spend their retirement as "community organizers" and we're supposed to be inspired by that!

Now, you're down to foul language, ha.ha.

Well, just EXACTLY what has Barack Obama given us? What bill has he enacted & fought for & passed? (Besides voting to cut off funding for American troops on the ground in Iraq?)

O.K. I'll take it easy on you--What did he do during his "community organizing job?"

Heck, even when Obama was in the State Legislature, he couldn't even vote Yes or No on a bill, he "stated" Present--(meaning I'm here, like in elementary school), he.he.he.

Obama, your educated HARVARD LAWYER couldn't make a decision, if his life depended on it, he. he. he.

historybuff · #9 (**permalink**) 09-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Yup, they sure have. $20 million dollars of debt in a town of 7,000 while the other supported the status quo these last 8 years in Washington while they doubled the deficit.

They're not going to change SHIT!

Which is why they haven't actually laid out one single proposal yet this entire convention other than hate-speeches.

A fucking tourist gives a speech about how the evils of the world are all Obama's and the Democrats fault while belittling working people like my folks who spend their retirement as "community organizers" and we're supposed to be inspired by that!

Your folks are community organizers?!!!?

So they're qualified to run for president too!

Sluggo · #10 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

So are you trying to suggest that Obama and Biden will all of a sudden deliver some sort of real change? I mean change outside of which party is sitting in the white house. You guys got control of the house and little changed, other than achieving the lowest approval rating in history. I am becoming increasingly frustrated with some notion that the "big change" they are bringing is anything other than just that, change of party in the white house.

So far I have not seen one new concept, some new non partisan compromise on an important issue, etc brought by Obama and Biden. Both are are talking about important issues yet offer aged liberal "vote for me" concepts to fix them... again, no real change. Just the year in which it is offered.

To be completely fair neither has McCain and Palin so far as I can tell. I think I am becoming one of many not sold by either party yet wondering where is this change and when will we hear about it.

Jason Marcel · #11 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

Well, Palin's a reformer. She reforms.

I'm pretty confident that she'll go to Washington and take on the establishment there.

She's not scared of anyone.

And she has a very principled stance on earmarks. I heard she doesn't even take any earmarks from Washington.

They tried to forcer her or something, and she was like, "Thanks, but no Thanks!".

RFK1968 · #12 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Oreo

Now, you're down to foul language, ha.ha.

Well, just EXACTLY what has Barack Obama given us? What bill has he enacted & fought for & passed? (Besides voting to cut off funding for American troops on the ground in Iraq?)

O.K. I'll take it easy on you--What did he do during his "community organizing job?"

Heck, even when Obama was in the State Legislature, he couldn't even vote Yes or No on a bill, he "stated" Present--(meaning I'm here, like in elementary school), he.he.he.

Obama, your educated HARVARD LAWYER couldn't make a decision, if his life depended on it, he. he. he.

Research is a bitch.

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Consider a bill into which Obama clearly put his heart and soul. The problem he wanted to address was that too many confessions, rather than being voluntary, were coerced -- by beating the daylights out of the accused.

Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.

This seemed likely to stop the beatings, but the bill itself aroused immediate opposition. There were Republicans who were automatically tough on crime and Democrats who feared being thought soft on crime. There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument. Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to using muscle to "solve" crimes. And the incoming governor, Rod Blagojevich, announced that he was against it.

Obama had his work cut out for him.

He responded with an all-out campaign of cajolery. It had not been easy for a Harvard man to become a regular guy to his colleagues. Obama had managed to do so by playing basketball and poker with them and, most of all, by listening to their concerns. Even Republicans came to respect him. One Republican state senator, Kirk Dillard, has said that "Barack had a way both intellectually and in demeanor that defused skeptics."

The police proved to be Obama's toughest opponent. Legislators tend to quail when cops say things like, "This means we won't be able to protect your children." The police tried to limit the videotaping to confessions, but Obama, knowing that the beatings were most likely to occur during questioning, fought -- successfully -- to keep interrogations included in the required videotaping.

Judge Him by His Laws

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U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Tom Coburn (R-OK) today hailed the Senate's passage of the "Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act," a bill that will create a Google-like search engine and database to track approximately $1 trillion in federal grants, contracts, earmarks and loans.

"By helping to lift the veil of secrecy in Washington, this database will help make us better legislators, reporters better journalists, and voters more active citizens," Obama said. "It's both unusual and encouraging to see interest groups and bloggers on the left and the right come together to achieve results. This powerful grassroots alliance shows that at the end of the day, Americans want to see Congress work together to get something done and not continue to engage in the partisan gridlock that so often brings Capitol Hill to a grinding halt."

Senate Passes Coburn-Obama Bill to Create Internet Database of Federal Spending

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President Bush today signed the Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative into law.

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.

"The United States should do more to eliminate conventional weapons stockpiles and assist other nations in detecting and interdicting weapons of mass destruction. We believe that these functions are underfunded, fragmented and in need of high-level support," said Lugar, Republican leader of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation Signed into Law by the President

Also, when you said "(Barack Obama) voted to cut off funding," you did realize that virtually every member of the U.S. Congress has voted to cut funding for the troops in one way or another, didn't you? It would be really irresponsible for you to suggest that Barack Obama was some kind of fund-cutter without saying the same thing about John McCain.

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“Obama Voted for and McCain Voted Against $360 Million for Armored Vehicles for Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2005, Obama voted for and McCain voted against providing $360.8 million for armored tactical wheeled vehicles for units deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and $5 million to establish ballistics engineering research centers at two major research institutions. The measure against which McCain voted also required such centers to advance knowledge and application of ballistics materials and procedures to improve the safety of land-based military vehicles. [HR 2863, Vote 248, 10/5/05, Passed 56-43: R 13-42 D 42-1 I 1-0]”

McCain voted twice against repealing the capital gains tax cut and applying the savings to replace equipment used by the Army and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan, “A week later, prior to the issuance of a conference report regarding that measure, Obama voted for and McCain voted against a measure to “insist that conference report include funding to strengthen America’s military, as contained in Senate-passed amendment, instead of any extension of tax cuts for capital gains and dividends (which do not expire until 2009), as contained in House-passed bill.” [HR 4297, Vote 8, 2/2/06, Passed 44-53: R 1-52 D 42-1 I 1-0; HR 4297, Vote 18, 2/14/06, Failed 45-55: R 1-54 D 43-1 I 1-0]”

McCain voted against providing an additional $322 million for troop equipment and body armor. [S 1689, Vote 376, 10/2/03, Passed 49-37: R 46-0 D 2-37 I 1-0; National Journal’s CongressDaily, 10/3/03]. He also voted against $1 billion in new equipment for the National Guard. . [S 762, Vote 116, 4/2/03, Passed 52-47: R 51-0 D 1-46 I 0-1]

McCain also has numerous votes against increased funding for veterans’ health care. [HR 4297, Vote 7, Failed 44-53: R 1-52; D 42-1 (ND 38-1, SD 4-0); I 1-0; 2/2/06 HR 4939, Vote 98, 4/26/06, Passed 84-13, D 41-0; R 42-13; I 1-0; The Independent Budget, A Budget for Veterans by Veterans, 2/10/06; Newsweek, 1/19/06] McCain did vote for tripling veterans’ health care fees, while he opposed increased funding for veterans’ health care.

McCain’s Votes against Funding for the Troops

Steve · #13 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

YupWhich is why they haven't actually laid out one single proposal yet this entire convention other than hate-speeches.

What a horseshit comment.

Please provide a link to one of these "hate speeches".

And, just so you know, a speech you might disagree with doesn't qualify as a "hate speech".

So, Jason, quit burping up your bullshit or back it up.

We'll wait...

John Drake · #14 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

McCain will change our war in Iraq to a war in Iran

McCain will change your kids plans in life from college and success to an early grave overseas after he drafts him

McCain will change your vacation plans from someplace nice to home and dog food so you can afford heating oil after he blows up Iran's oil fields to stop them from developing an atom bomb they don't have.

McCain will change the occupant of your present nice home from you to one of his banker friends who swindled you out of your mortage and then have Phil Gramm arrest you for 'whining' about living in your car.

McCain and the Republicans will change the US from a free Republic to a corrupt kleptocracy, oh wait, that's already happened. He'll continue the Bush legacy there, as in just about everything else.

biggyg2 · #15 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008

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Originally Posted by John Drake

McCain will change our war in Iraq to a war in Iran

McCain will change your kids plans in life from college and success to an early grave overseas after he drafts him

McCain will change your vacation plans from someplace nice to home and dog food so you can afford heating oil after he blows up Iran's oil fields to stop them from developing an atom bomb they don't have.

McCain will change the occupant of your present nice home from you to one of his banker friends who swindled you out of your mortage and then have Phil Gramm arrest you for 'whining' about living in your car.

McCain and the Republicans will change the US from a free Republic to a corrupt kleptocracy, oh wait, that's already happened. He'll continue the Bush legacy there, as in just about everything else.

Has anyone heard a mention of Iraq or the economy in the GOP speeches so far? I might have missed it.

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