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Re: Oprah refuses to have Palin on show

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I mean unless you have a history of, and advocate for lauding woman and their advances and work etc. In any event, it is her show.
She lauds women who SHE admires, not just any women who has acheived a position of power. I've never heard her talk about Condi Rice or Laura Bush. She has always, clearly, favored those on the progressive side of the aisle.


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ahhh I DO hear the irony bell ringing, you appear as blind as the media...
do I need to explain the paradox you just created?
There are no irony bells that are ringing, Obama has clear policies, positions and plans. And unlike Palin his record matches who he claims to be in public. Palin says she's an advocate for special needs families and cut funding for special needs kids in Alaska. She says she's a pro-life advocate who wants to encourage unwed mothers to have their babies, and she cut support for unwed mothers in Alaska. Considering Oprah's meager background no doubt these bread and butter issues turn her off about Palin.
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She lauds women who SHE admires, not just any women who has acheived a position of power. I've never heard her talk about Condi Rice or Laura Bush. She has always, clearly, favored those on the progressive side of the aisle.



There are no irony bells that are ringing, Obama has clear policies, positions and plans. And unlike Palin his record matches who he claims to be in public. Palin says she's an advocate for special needs families and cut funding for special needs kids in Alaska. She says she's a pro-life advocate who wants to encourage unwed mothers to have their babies, and she cut support for unwed mothers in Alaska. Considering Oprah's meager background no doubt these bread and butter issues turn her off about Palin.
If Obama has clear policies can you tell us some of them? Don't look them up. Just whip em out, off the top of your head....if they are so clear.

What is Obama's record?

Palin didn't cut support for unwed mothers. She cut a program that she felt shouldn't be funded by government dollars. Teaching sex-education, according to Palin should not be funded by the government, just like she feels that abortions should not be funded by the government.

I wonder how many times Oprah has mentioned Obama on her show in glowing detail? Do you think she would afford Palin the same consideration.

NO.

Oprah dropped her pants, turned around, and mooned every Palin supporter with her statement.
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She lauds women who SHE admires, not just any women who has acheived a position of power. I've never heard her talk about Condi Rice or Laura Bush. She has always, clearly, favored those on the progressive side of the aisle.
yes so achievement by and for woman is only to be lauded if it agrees with oprahs focus, sure that is her right, but its not exactly a high water mark in inclusion or WOMAN is it? so to describe oprah as a woman’s advocate inho, is inaccurate.

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There are no irony bells that are ringing, Obama has clear policies, positions and plans. And unlike Palin his record matches who he claims to be in public.
really okay well as long as hes been upfront regards his record for social reform in the now denuded Illinois state treasury ( when he left it) and his apparent single mindedness regards social welfare above everything else...but we can have that argument elsewhere....cause I have not heard him make the cases he did in Illinois, at all.

I would be VERY interested in hearing his stances on crime as well, but I know we won’t...do you know his stances on crime?


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Palin says she's an advocate for special needs families and cut funding for special needs kids in Alaska. She says she's a pro-life advocate who wants to encourage unwed mothers to have their babies, and she cut support for unwed mothers in Alaska. Considering Oprah's meager background no doubt these bread and butter issues turn her off about Palin.
sorry that won't fly;

I just watched CNN’s Soledad O’Brien sandbag former White House Communications Director Nicole Wallace by asking her how Sarah Palin can claim to be a defender of special needs children when she cut the budget for that Alaska office by 62 percent. Wallace wasn’t familiar with the charge — which isn’t surprising, since it’s only being made on DailyKos and another liberal site. (Tip for Ms. O’Brien: DailyKos is not a reliable news site.)

This charge is based on looking at the budget for Alaska’s Special Education Service Agency for 2007-2009. In fact, the December 2006 budget document that they cite would have been prepared by the outgoing administration — that of Republican Frank Murkowski, whom Palin defeated.

What’s gone unmentioned is that the Palin signed into law a dramatic reform of the state’s education financing system that equalizes aid to rural and urban districts, while significantly increasing funding for special needs students.

There’s more to the story than an honest mistake by CBS.

In FY 07, before Palin worked on the budget, the state of Alaska had four distinct programs funded under it’s special education management budget: something called SESA, a psychiatric program, a school for the deaf, and the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. In FY 08, the first Palin year, the first three programs - SESA, the psychiatric program, and the school for the deaf - were still in the special education management budget and their funding was approximately the same as it was in FY 07. But the Alaska Challenge Youth Program isn’t listed and it’s omission accounts for what appears to be a huge drop in funding for special education services.

I wondered why the program was dropped and googled the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. Guess what? In FY 08 the academy was moved out of special education management and became it’s own program. And it’s funding was increased by about $2.8 million (to $8,234,000 in FY 08from $5,449,300 in FY07).

Here’s a link to the program’s FY 08 budget

http://gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/bu…D/comp2837.pdf

CBS, CNN and the other reporters could have discovered this had they simply read the 5, yes 5, page reports. It took me all of 30 second to discover this, and I’m as at home Mom with nothing but google to help me.

A commenter (Jim Syar) accused Sarah Palin of reducing the special education budget by 62%. That is false. The special education budget actually increased by nearly 12%, as explained below.
As Syar correctly notes, the Alaska 2007 budget for special education was $8,265,300. But that included $5,352,000 for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy.
In the 2009 budgetary document to which Syar links, astute observers will note that there is no mention of the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. Instead, you have to look elsewhere. And guess what: There is now a specific document providing $6,082,100 for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. (Link) So combined with the $3,156,000 that Syar notes, the total is $9,238,100. A nearly 12% INCREASE, not a 62% decrease.




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Sarah Palin might have changed her mind on this one recently. However, a comment here notes that Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%. Budgets: FY 2007 (pre-Palin), 2008, 2009 (all pdfs).

UPDATE: This is wrong. As you can see if you look at the list of component budgets here (2007) and here (2009), funding for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy was broken out into its own budget category, which accounts for the drop in funding for the original item. I regret the error. Thanks to rory in comments.END UPDATE.

The Washington Monthly



Michelle Malkin » Not again: Palin “slashes” another children’s program…by increasing funding; Update: Washington Monthly retracts, what about the rest of the MSM?

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Re: Oprah refuses to have Palin on show

Of course she has the right to not have her on. She supports Obama. If she watched Palins speech at the RNC, she knows how well Palin would do. She has mostly women viewers and she knows that Palin would swing the vote. If she wasnt afraid of that, she would have her on I am sure. Who says Palin even wants to go on her show?
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well oprah has not had obama on since he announced, she hasn't had laura bush et al either, so I can't say shes being biased, except in the area of woman’s advocacy, but you have to balance that with the fact that having palin on, would appear to be taking sides politically or at least giving her an edge based on sex, which here we go again, could be spun, shes in a catch 22.... that’s why I despise identity politics, because in the end, someone is gonna get their ass sore, which why its ALL bunk..........etc..now if she had biden on then thats different...
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A lot of her staff apparently want Palin on, but Oprah and a few others do not. Instead of being a champion for women, Oprah shows her true colors as a blind partisan. I am betting the pressure will get her to cave. She already lost a lot of viewers by supporting Obama over Clinton.

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Re: Oprah refuses to have Palin on show

Oprah should have never entered the political arena. She has boxed herself into a corner by supporting & campaigning for Obama. She really can't put any candidate on the show prior to the election.
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Oprah should have never entered the political arena. She has boxed herself into a corner by supporting & campaigning for Obama. She really can't put any candidate on the show prior to the election.
That didn't stop her from letting herself be used by the Dems in Denver.

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Re: Oprah refuses to have Palin on show

As a talk show host she has no obligation to have Sarah Palin on her show. It's a talk show not a news show.
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That didn't stop her from letting herself be used by the Dems in Denver.

"I cried so hard my eyelashes fell off!!!"

I know, like I said she has boxed herself into Barack Obama's corner.
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I just watched CNN’s Soledad O’Brien sandbag former White House Communications Director Nicole Wallace by asking her how Sarah Palin can claim to be a defender of special needs children when she cut the budget for that Alaska office by 62 percent. Wallace wasn’t familiar with the charge — which isn’t surprising, since it’s only being made on DailyKos and another liberal site. (Tip for Ms. O’Brien: DailyKos is not a reliable news site.)

This charge is based on looking at the budget for Alaska’s Special Education Service Agency for 2007-2009. In fact, the December 2006 budget document that they cite would have been prepared by the outgoing administration — that of Republican Frank Murkowski, whom Palin defeated.

What’s gone unmentioned is that the Palin signed into law a dramatic reform of the state’s education financing system that equalizes aid to rural and urban districts, while significantly increasing funding for special needs students.

There’s more to the story than an honest mistake by CBS.

In FY 07, before Palin worked on the budget, the state of Alaska had four distinct programs funded under it’s special education management budget: something called SESA, a psychiatric program, a school for the deaf, and the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. In FY 08, the first Palin year, the first three programs - SESA, the psychiatric program, and the school for the deaf - were still in the special education management budget and their funding was approximately the same as it was in FY 07. But the Alaska Challenge Youth Program isn’t listed and it’s omission accounts for what appears to be a huge drop in funding for special education services.

I wondered why the program was dropped and googled the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. Guess what? In FY 08 the academy was moved out of special education management and became it’s own program. And it’s funding was increased by about $2.8 million (to $8,234,000 in FY 08from $5,449,300 in FY07).

Here’s a link to the program’s FY 08 budget

http://gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/bu…D/comp2837.pdf

CBS, CNN and the other reporters could have discovered this had they simply read the 5, yes 5, page reports. It took me all of 30 second to discover this, and I’m as at home Mom with nothing but google to help me.

A commenter (Jim Syar) accused Sarah Palin of reducing the special education budget by 62%. That is false. The special education budget actually increased by nearly 12%, as explained below.
As Syar correctly notes, the Alaska 2007 budget for special education was $8,265,300. But that included $5,352,000 for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy.
In the 2009 budgetary document to which Syar links, astute observers will note that there is no mention of the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. Instead, you have to look elsewhere. And guess what: There is now a specific document providing $6,082,100 for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. (Link) So combined with the $3,156,000 that Syar notes, the total is $9,238,100. A nearly 12% INCREASE, not a 62% decrease.




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Sarah Palin might have changed her mind on this one recently. However, a comment here notes that Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%. Budgets: FY 2007 (pre-Palin), 2008, 2009 (all pdfs).

UPDATE: This is wrong. As you can see if you look at the list of component budgets here (2007) and here (2009), funding for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy was broken out into its own budget category, which accounts for the drop in funding for the original item. I regret the error. Thanks to rory in comments.END UPDATE.

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Michelle Malkin » Not again: Palin “slashes” another children’s program…by increasing funding; Update: Washington Monthly retracts, what about the rest of the MSM?

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Re: Oprah refuses to have Palin on show

Right now the Dummycraps have an army of Ambulance-chasers in Alaska looking for anyone who wants to say nasty things about Sarah Palin.

I wonder if we're paying for this fair and balanced investigation?
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after further review ala thomas not getting an invite, which I had not known, I have changed my mind, shes playing BS identity games....screw her..

article explaining why.

IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Palin: Phantom Of The Oprah
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after further review ala thomas not getting an invite, which I had not known, I have changed my mind, shes playing BS identity games....screw her..



What are you/that article talking about?

The candidacy of Sara Palin IS one big identity game! (And it's working so far... white women are moving to McCain as evidenced in the polls) Accusing others of the same is pretty rich......
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after further review ala thomas not getting an invite, which I had not known, I have changed my mind, shes playing BS identity games....screw her..

article explaining why.

IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Palin: Phantom Of The Oprah
I have no doubt in my mind if a woman were the running mate on the Dem ticket, she would be on Oprah. If Oprah thinks she can afford the loss of audience because of her partisanship, that's Oprah's call. She's not hurting, but she can't lose my viewership as I don't watch her anyway.
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