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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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What was his “Freudian slip” from yesterday? I'll judge it on it's own merit.

The issue in this thread is Palin... If you can demonstrate in any way that Palin probably knew better and this was just poor wording, let me know.

She lacks the background on national issues. It's not surprising that she's not well versed on topics that don't deal directly with Alaska. It's probably why the press is being locked out from her. She's doing some intense cramming between now and the VP debates. Hopefully for her, she memorizes the correct answers.



p.s. you're keeping a file on me? Wow, I feel special.

And I answered you, regards our fiduciary interests already enacted, we have been on the hook for their losses since July..........if you want to pretend that every day those fat cats at fannie and Freddie were in charge was not costing us money , well go ahead, but that’s not the reality and it appears to me you’re making a very tenuous reach here…..

Look, its like giving your daughter a credit card, in her name but co- signed by you, who’s a shopoholic, knowing full well you’re gonna pick up the tab at some point in time.


If you’re looking for a bona fide gaffe be patient, shes not perfect and I am quite sure, she’ll make one.
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No wonder she is in hiding and the media not allowed to speak to her. Just wait til the honeymoon is over folks. And wait for Biden to rip her a new one.
Oh, goodness, not the well-disproven partisan repeating-point about her being "hidden" from the media. Come on, Danny, you're way too smart for that.

(Just as an example of the untruth of that claim, look up her Time magazine interview.)

So, you don't think St. Obama has ever mis-spoken or explained something poorly?

How about Biden - and consider his lengthy Washington insider history before you answer that one....

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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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And I answered you, regards our fiduciary interests already enacted, we have been on the hook for their losses since July..........if you want to pretend that every day those fat cats at fannie and Freddie were in charge was not costing us money , well go ahead, but that’s not the reality and it appears to me you’re making a very tenuous reach here…..

Look, its like giving your daughter a credit card, in her name but co- signed by you, who’s a shopoholic, knowing full well you’re gonna pick up the tab at some point in time.
I understand the mortgage mess.... and the lending practices that caused it.

The cause for the Government bailing out the 2 GSE's is the potential large scale economic fallout should they fail. The effect is that now the taxpayer will foot the bill.

Palin had it exactly backwards....with the taxpayer cost as the cause and the bailout as the effect. This is not like the Sunni/Shia mixup that McCain had.... that could be forgiven because he had extensive foreign policy dealings and it could be written off the same way a grandpa calls his grandson Jimmy, "Mike" by mistake.

This is different. Palin has had no dealings in the mortgage crisis on a national level. To say that she really knew better and just had a brain fart is based on nothing.
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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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I understand the mortgage mess.... and the lending practices that caused it.

The reason that the Government bailed out the 2 GSE's is the potential large scale economic fallout. The result is that now the taxpayer will foot the bill.

Palin had it exactly backwards...... This is not like the Sunni/Shia mixup that McCain had.... that could be forgiven because he had dealings and it could be written off the same way a grandpa calls his grandson Jimmy, "Mike" by mistake.

This is different. Palin has had no dealings in the mortgage crisis on a national level. To say that she really knew better and just had a brain fart is based on nothing.
And the racism that Biden shows certainly is a different story, too. That was no gaffe of his when he was talking about employees at 7/11s. I mean, wow. Talk about inexcusable gaffes.
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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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This is different. Palin has had no dealings in the mortgage crisis on a national level. To say that she really knew better and just had a brain fart is based on nothing.
This is different - it's not Obama making a mistake, so it's earth-shatteringly important and complete disqualifies for office.

Such partisan nonsense.

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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

The fact is that the companies took a risk and decided to give out too many loans (got too big) and now the taxpayers have to pay the bill.

Her line is poorly phrased, but not far from the truth.
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This is different - it's not Obama making a mistake, so it's earth-shatteringly important and complete disqualifies for office.

Such partisan nonsense.

Matt
Obama has made retractions/clarifications when he's screwed up.

I'll be interested to see if Palin does the same. If her (the McCain camp's)explanation in defense of her gaffe is similar to the one's in this thread I wonder how people will receive it.

My guess is that there will be no response at all.
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And the racism that Biden shows certainly is a different story, too. That was no gaffe of his when he was talking about employees at 7/11s. I mean, wow. Talk about inexcusable gaffes.
At least that gaffe was factual. (If you can't excuse the non-PC nature of the comment, then I guess that's just a value judgement).

I think it's telling that most of the counter-arguments on Palin's gaffe (if you can call it that) immediately stray to pointing out the gaffes of others.
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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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At least that gaffe was factual. (If you can't excuse the non-PC nature of the comment, then I guess that's just a value judgement).

I think it's telling that most of the counter-arguments on Palin's gaffe (if you can call it that) immediately stray to pointing out the gaffes of others.
Somehow I just knew the partisan relativism would reveal itself.

Oh, and for the record - I give no importance to Palin's gaffe, Biden's gaffes, nor to BHO's gaffes.
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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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Upon recent developments that saw Sallie May and Freddie Mac get taken over by the government, Sara Palin thought she would weigh in on the matter:

Housing Policy Trips Up Palin, By Steve Benen - CBS News



This is more than a mistake.... there's no two ways to parse this... Sara Palin believed that Fannie and Freddie have been government run this whole time.

No....Sara.... this is a situation where private companies failed and were getting a government bailout as a result.

Fannie and Freddie weren't costing taxpayers a dime directly... but now that we are bailing them out.... taxpayers will largely be footing the bill.

This woman isn't ready to be our Vice President, let alone our President.

We can now see why the McCain campaign is keeping Palin bottled up..... they should also make sure she sticks to the script completely on the campaign trail. Just recite and read.... don't think.

nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers."


lbs..the continued operation under their current status is costing us, the tax payer money, the sooner we change that the better, they are too big and they are, and what should could said is; “and will get more expensive to the taxpayers”… unless we change it of course…it’s a matter of inference, she has taken it for granted its going to cost us, and it will, and more the longer it goes on.
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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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Somehow I just knew the partisan relativism would reveal itself.

Oh, and for the record - I give no importance to Palin's gaffe, Biden's gaffes, nor to BHO's gaffes.
Hey, I wear my partisan relativism on my sleeve.

But if you place no importance on gaffes then why did you claim that Biden was a racist based on his?

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And the racism that Biden shows certainly is a different story, too. .
Just being facetious?
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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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Obama has made retractions/clarifications when he's screwed up.

I'll be interested to see if Palin does the same. If her (the McCain camp's)explanation in defense of her gaffe is similar to the one's in this thread I wonder how people will receive it.

My guess is that there will be no response at all.
perhaps there is nothing to respond too?
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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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Hey, I wear my partisan relativism on my sleeve.

you didn't use too, whats changed?
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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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But if you place no importance on gaffes then why did you claim that Biden was a racist based on his?



Just being facetious?
Yup, and to demonstrate that what is good for the goose is also good for the gander. If this has importance, be prepared to take the parsing of Biden's gaffes, without showing any hypocricy (if not showing hypocricy is important to you, that is).
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Re: Palin Makes Huge Gaffe: Doesn't understand Mortgage Bailout.

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Upon recent developments that saw Sallie May and Freddie Mac get taken over by the government, Sara Palin thought she would weigh in on the matter:

Housing Policy Trips Up Palin, By Steve Benen - CBS News



This is more than a mistake.... there's no two ways to parse this... Sara Palin believed that Fannie and Freddie have been government run this whole time.

No....Sara.... this is a situation where private companies failed and were getting a government bailout as a result.

Fannie and Freddie weren't costing taxpayers a dime directly... but now that we are bailing them out.... taxpayers will largely be footing the bill.

This woman isn't ready to be our Vice President, let alone our President.

We can now see why the McCain campaign is keeping Palin bottled up..... they should also make sure she sticks to the script completely on the campaign trail. Just recite and read.... don't think.

Back in the late 80's & early 90's during the 1st foreclosure debacle in this country, I worked in real estate. I did a lot of Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae foreclosures. Yes,--there were expenditures back to the Federal Government in the form of paperwork-paperwork, administration, etc.

The government never does anything for free--including securing loans from private vendors!
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