Originally Posted by California Girl

That's nice. They LOVE Obama in Florida........ oh, wait.... no, they don't. Perhaps he was on the beach combing for votes...... quite a few illegals down there on the beaches in Fl!

Originally Posted by MattLarson

As have been covered here so many times, these policies you refer to regarding the current financial crisis were overwhelmingly adopted by both parties.

Blind, unthinking partisans will cling to the notion that these policies are solely Republican creations, but doing so requires stunning, willful ignorance of some irrefutable facts:

1. The legislation was amended and modified through the committee process (like all legislation is) and there was therefore input from both parties.
2. The vast majority of Democrats in the congress voted for the laws in question. Including such Dem leaders as Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Edwards, Kerry and Feinstein. (like most issues of the day, these laws were adopted prior to Obama's senate career).



No, not really. But I can see how it could be "pure joy" to watch this debacle if one is so blindly partisan that they don't care about the effects of the problem, and are willing to pretend that this is a partisan issue.

Matt

Originally Posted by John Drake

I love it. The conservatives run roughshod over anyone who dares oppose them for eight whole years, forcing any opposition to vote for their kleptocratic wars and reckless banking thievery or face Republicans voting to starve old people and shutting down the govt, (like they've done their best to do anyway since they were voted out of majority positions) then they turn around and say it's "not a partisan issue" when the whole crooked scheme blows up in their faces. Though I guess I have to give you credit, you're not blaming the whole thing on us like most every other conservative.

Look, I have one question. Who had an unassailable majority in both houses from 1994 TO 2006 AND the President firmly and completely on their side from 2000 to 2006. Who? Whats that I hear? begins with an R...hmmm....

OK, I'm a traditionalist, and we I think we have an old and time honored practice here:

Originally Posted by TSGracchus

In fact, in my opinion the larger share of the blame should go to the Democrats, not because they caused more of the damage (they didn't), but because they are supposed to be the liberal party, and are supposed to prevent this kind of idiocy, and they didn't do their job.

Originally Posted by andy764383

They were too busy grabbing the campaign donations from the very same people they were supposed to be watching. You forgot that part.

Originally Posted by TheHighForester

The gentleman you are addressing has made over 13,000 posts. These provide ample evidence that he doesn't have anything of value to offer this forum.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

What a stupid debate.

Chris Dodd admitted late last evening that McCain hasn't put in one call to the Banking Committee or to anyone negotiating this thing, and that Obama's been on top of it for a couple weeks now.

It's a strawman argument to say that McCain is somehow taking a leadership stand here. Absolutely fucking ridiculous no matter which way you look at it.

Originally Posted by Steve

The two of you need to stop whining.

The guy's a piece of shit. If you're unable to see that, too bad for you.

The guy can't see what's important beyond himself...

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Why did McCain spend nearly 75% of his speech time talking about things not involved with the current bailout? It looked more like an excuse to just prattle off his talking points.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

I haven't seen you use such strong language regarding McCain in a long time. I'm glad you see what a dirtbag McCain has become.

Originally Posted by Steve

The two of you need to stop whining.

The guy's a piece of shit. If you're unable to see that, too bad for you.

The guy can't see what's important beyond himself...

Originally Posted by John Drake

What's important is that we get a President who won't let this happen again, not the very one largely responsible for it happening in the first place. Obama was wrong to go along with this, he should have demanded McCain show up at the debate. The further away McCain is from Congress the better off we're going to be.

McCain's a disingenuous piece of wife-abusing offal and now he's a coward to boot. I have to wonder about anyone who wants this kind of person as their President.

Originally Posted by Steve

Whine whine whine.

McCain one-upped Obama by saying they should return to Washington. Had Obama said it, you'd be drooling all over yourself at how good your boy looks.

The fact of the matter is that, in the last 24 hours, McCain has made Obama look more partisan than anyone could've ever dreamed...