Whether Marcel believes me or not, at this point, couldn't be more irrelevant to me.

The trends you cite don't reflect the realisation that Obama voted "Present" on the current crisis.

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OMG, no way! Is that true? Link, please.

You specifically haven't made an argument showing why anyone should believe you.

The state by state polls now show a tie in Florida, where McCain had been ahead by an average of 5 points last week.

A tie where McCain had been ahead by an average of 3 or more in Ohio up until this week.

A near tie in North Carolina where he had been ahead by 5 or 6 all through the summer until last week.

A tie in Virginia where he had been ahead by an average of 3 or 4 through the summer until last week.

Michigan and Colorado were in a virtual tie until the last 10 days, but Obama is now ahead by an average of 5 or more in each state.

Iowa and New Mexico are states where McCain isn't even going to anymore and will easily flip to the Democrats as Obama leads by more than 7 or 8 points in those two states.

You and Daddio are hiding behind one poll and I'm looking at the average of all of them.

You can learn or you can stay ignorant. It's really up to you.

Good night.

Are you sure that's what Reid said?
TheHill.com - Reid: McCain interfering with progress on bailout

Democrats are saying that McCain is getting in the way, and Republicans are saying nothing, as in "if you have nothing good to say, say nothing".

It's pretty clear this is just cheap political grandstanding, with McCain once again putting the country second to his ambition.

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Yep, you are looking at the average. Thanks for the link. It's shows a tie; it's no evidence of a "collapse" or a "spreading [of] wings", with that subjective rhetoric applying as your emotions desire.

There is no link. It's hyperbole that comes from columns written a week ago when Obama said he would release a more detailed plan once he heard back from Henry Paulson and Bernanke and the Banking Committee.

The only people dragging their feet on this thing now are House Republicans and John McCain, who want less regulation and a limit on golden parachutes rather than the complete elimination of them, and to eliminate taxes on some of the people being bailed out. Apparently the less regulation thing was the big monkey wrench thrown in there today by McCain.

I think this bailout is dumb in lots of ways, but even dumber if McCain has his way with it, since none of the three things the House Republicans want him to stick up for here are any good.

I was speaking metaphorically. Obama said "call me if you need me" which is the equivalent of voting "present."

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When one guy falls behind by an average of 4 and then is ahead by an average of 3 less than 2 weeks later, and female vote swings all the way back to pre-convention levels, maybe it's a correction, or maybe it's the beginning of a collapse.

I say collapse because in 3 recent polls Obama is ahead in Michigan by more than 10 points. Only a collapse could explain that one. I keep using numbers and trends, and you keep avoiding common sense.

To be factual, I said "I wouldn't be so sure" regarding your hyperbolic assertions.

So, naturally, you knee-jerk at the mere hint of trouble in Obamaland.

So to continue the fun, have at this !

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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

And obviously from Obama's appearance on FOX today, he's been in the loop the whole time while even some Republicans on the Hill were like, he sat there in silence much of the time.

Zogby isn't considered very legit anymore anyway, as none of the major pollsters use him in their poll-of-poll averages anymore because he said on election day 2004 that Kerry was going to win by over 100 electoral votes.

And he got some of his primary results wrong too.

You're right, McCain is trailing badly in states he was leading 3 weeks ago. Michigan for example had McCain leading or statistically tied, and the last poll I saw had Obama leading by 13%.

Other states that seemed safe for McCain are now in play, like Florida and Indiana.

It seems to be a combination of frustration with Republican rich people messing up the economy and white women turning against Palin in droves.

According to polls anyway.

I saw that live today. Interesting, too. He clearly had teleprompter issues. However, the AP video of it conveniently showed a canned audience clapping whenever that happened. I'm still looking for the live video from Fox or any other without the canned audience fill-in during his two blatant hesitations and restarts.

Obama Plans to Debate on Friday

Calling Harry Reid or Barney Frank and asking them what they decided to do might be considered "in the loop" but isn't really relevent. I watched the news so I was "in the loop" too and didn't even need to use my cell minutes.

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