Originally Posted by Steve

No they don't.

They all wake up in the morning, run down to Starbucks for a raspberry-mocha-mint-creme-girlie-boy-foo-foo-bullshit coffee, come home, read MoveOn.org to check the proper talking points for the day, and then head out into the world.

Just listen to Obama's ads: "McCain is more of the same". Every idiot lib I run into says the same exact fucking thing: "McCain is more of the same".

I have seen zero evidence that your garden variety lib possesses any capacity, whatsoever, for individual thought...



I do, and they are...

Originally Posted by Steve

And you'll laud that as a fabulously accurate poll, right up until McCain overtakes him, which is when you'll cry that Fox is biased against Obama...

Originally Posted by andy764383

So true. I go to Huffington Post everyday to see what the talking points are gonna be. Last night it was McCain wanting a "time out." Sure enough, all day today I see that same thing repeated, including in this thread several times.

Originally Posted by TheHighForester

McCain suspended his campaign because his "leadership" was needed to rally congressional votes in favor of the package. Obama only returned to Washington because McCain arranged for the president to invite BOTH candidates to the White House meeting, and he would have looked like he was refusing to cooperate with the President if he declined.

Yet it is Obama's Democrats who have moved to pass the bailout, while it is the Republicans who have refused to go along with either their old leader, the President, or their new "leader," John McCain. This was supposed to be where John McCain demonstrated the strength of his "leadership," which he claims the country so desperately needs, but it hasn't worked out that way.

Originally Posted by TheHighForester

McCain suspended his campaign because his "leadership" was needed to rally congressional votes in favor of the package. Obama only returned to Washington because McCain arranged for the president to invite BOTH candidates to the White House meeting, and he would have looked like he was refusing to cooperate with the President if he declined.

Yet it is Obama's Democrats who have moved to pass the bailout, while it is the Republicans who have refused to go along with either their old leader, the President, or their new "leader," John McCain. This was supposed to be where John McCain demonstrated the strength of his "leadership," which he claims the country so desperately needs, but it hasn't worked out that way.

Originally Posted by California Girl

Sadly, I think it's just a rumor that Obama is actually the second coming..... A misconception by those who believe he is the answer to all our prayers. Fools!

Originally Posted by TheHighForester

If McCain doesn't go to Oxford, the person most offended will be Mississippi Gov. Hailey Barbour, who expected the debate to be an opportunity to showcase his state as one where great progress has been made.

Hailey Barbour is not the sort of man who can be trifled with. A former congressman, he served as Republicn Party National Chairman for several years before running for governor. He has connections (and friends) everywhere, especially in the South, and they remember that during his chairmanship the party was quite successful at the polls. John McCain simply cannot hope to win election to dogcatcher without the full support of Hailey Barbour.

It really makes you wonder if McCain is actually smart enough to be president.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

And this just in: John McCain called David Letterman personally to tell him he had to go back to Washington. But he didn't go back to Washington, he instead taped in an interview with Katie Couric. Keith Olbermann took McCain's spot tonight and he says while the show was being taped, Letterman actually showed some of the feed of Couric interviewing McCain, and Letterman shouting, "Can I give you a ride to the airport Senator?!".

I can't fucking wait to see it.

Another lie from McWait.

Originally Posted by Alex

man, you are gonna need serious medication after Obama loses.........

Originally Posted by tex

What IS best for the American People?

To have legislators drop everything to go legislate? Or for voters to learn how the candidates for President will legislate for the next four years?

A little over a month to go, and Americans must choose their next leader. The GOP side has two candidates who consider the press to be "the enemy", and who thusfar have successfully resisted having their candidates questioned in any meaningful way. And now the campaign is completely suspended?

Will having the debate prevent either Senator from participating in the economic debate in Congress, and voting on all the various measures necessary to craft a final bill? McCain believes it will, Obama does not.

Time will tell, but we already have a clue about the "urgent" need for the Senators' presence in Washington. After cancelling Letterman, McCain instead sits down with Couric. "I'm flying now to Washington!" McCain tells Dave, but he wasn't. Worse, what he was doing was MORE CAMPAIGNING, the main thing he claimed he wouldn't be doing.

Those on the Right are fond of saying that everything about a candidate is important, because it reveals CHARACTER.

Avoiding the press, operating in secrecy, a "trust me" attitude which is hostile to questioning, these are all hallmarks of the administration for the past eight years. By keeping the voters virtually in the dark (or worse, confused by contradictory claims meted out in political speeches, for example vehemently AGAINST regulation, before being FOR it), McCain leaves us no conclusion but that his administration, should he be elected, will be no different from that of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for the past two terms. If you've loved George's performance in office, by all means, McCain should be your choice.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

He was lying to Letterman, and decided to stay in town overnight and do a different interview.

"His has good priorities"? What the fuck is with that?

He "feels" our economy? No he doesn't. He "feels" his economy. He "feels" his benefactors barking at him to get in the welfare line and help get enough Republican votes so that the White House can a sign the biggest one-time transfer of wealth from regular people to rich fucktards who bankrupted this country.

That's not Country First.

Words are fucking meaningless if you don't actually stand for shit.

John McCain and Barack Obama now have the responsibility (remember that word, responsibility? Used to be a very lofty conservative notion) of being the candidates of both of their parties, which means they have to communicate to us what they would do exactly. McCain has decided to hide out overnight in New York like a pussy. He's not even in Washington, and won't be back in Washington until at some point later tomorrow.

By denying us a public discussion and debate, John McCain is only putting his political charade first.

Raise your hands everybody for who wants a President who bails out on having to face doing anything when the job gets rough.

John McCain has just crippled his whole campaign by doing nothing, making no actual choices and just hiding out for awhile and not actually going to Washington until some point tomorrow.

What a huge joke of a campaign. His numbers will tank since he's sending Obama a fat pitch right down the middle. And when Obama tells him to his face, "You know, the President can't just call a time-out when things get tough", that'll seal the deal.

Originally Posted by CorpMediaSux

First poll on McCain wanting to postpone the debate. As expected, Americans are smarter.

Originally Posted by andy764383

I wondered if they bothered to tell the people they were polling that this debate was on foreign policy. Probably not.

I can just see the confused look on everyones face on Friday when the discussion is on Russia/Georgia, Iraq and Iran, and not on the economy.

Originally Posted by Danny

I'm like a kid in a candy store with the McCain campaign collapsing by the minute.

Originally Posted by Slon

Also, I don't believe anyone addressed my question. What exactly is McCain going to do that is mutually exclusive with participating in the Friday debate? And how is it going to improve things?

Originally Posted by Slon

Do WHAT work?

*sigh*

I am referring to this:
YouTube - John McCain Suspend my campaign

Basically, what he is letting on is that he wants to suspend his campaign so he can "solve this problem."

So, how exactly is he going to "solve this problem" and why does it require him to suspend his campaign and drop out of the Friday debate? I ask because people seem to be jerking off about how great of a man McCain is for doing this and how shitty Obama would be if he did not follow along. The presumption by those people is that McCain is going to do something that will "solve the problem," and that it requires him to suspend his campaign and drop out of the Friday debate. After all, if this presumption is not true, then this is simply a way for McCain to deceptively avoid the debate, deceitfully cause the rise of the implication that Obama cares only about winning and not about Americans, or both.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

On the subject of suspending the campaign because the going gets tough and McCain can't get goin', why isn't Gov.Palin back out there today on the campaign trail?

Why the chauvinistic attitude by McCain? Is she such a delicate flower that she can't double up on her touring schedule and step in for one single day?

I guess this is what we have to look forward to if McCain wins the Oval Office; on a sick day or when things get rough, he'll just call a t-o and hide out with Palin.

Pretty fucking weak.

Originally Posted by mudwhistle

I want to repeat this so you can understand what I said in my last post; Obama canceled his SNL appearance two weekends ago because of Ike because like the Letterman show, SNL is a comedy show and he felt that doing comedy on nationwide broadcast might give everyone the feeling that he's not concerned about the people in Galveston TX. Nobody made fun of Obama when he did that.

But when McCain does the exact same thing, cancel his appearance on a comedy show during a very serious crisis because it wouldn't look good....all he gets is lies about his character and his motives. It just shows the character of the Democrats and their supporters, that they can't pass up an opportunity to trash someone even when they're doing what's right.

Besides, you're just pissed because Obama passed up on a perfect opportunity to make his critics eat their words. They constantly point out the fact that Obama has never accomplished anything and what does he do when he has an opportunity to do just something? He tells everyone that if he's needed they can call him.

I've got a colleague at work that does that all of the time. He tries to act like he wants to work but when you need him you can't seem to get ahold of him.


Obama has this great opportunity to earn his paycheck and fix America's economy and what does he do? He tells everyone that he'll be there if needed. Just give him a call when you need somebody.

Obama thinks getting elected is more important then fixing the economy.

Truth is he wouldn't be any help anyway because lets face it, Obama doesn't know what needs to be done. He's practically admitting to it with this carelessly partisan response. Do you think Obama would actually do his MF job for once? Fat chance. But Obama is the guy that needs lengthy prep time for debates because it's a lot harder to prepare to lie about your background then it is tell the truth.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

A good President can do this thing called "multi-tasking".

And if you forgot, Obama was in Washington last week, had that great big meeting with his advisers and former treasury secretaries, and insisted on 4 major points that must be included in the bill.

It's not Obama's fault that McCain is one week behind and completely fucking lost about what to do.

John McCain still hasn't talked about insisting on Obama's point of eliminating golden parachutes, which ought to be common sense to everybody, but not McCain, who says Fiorina was an "inspiration to every young woman in America". Uh, yeah, an inspiration. Even they can grow up and be crooks like old white men?

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Actually, according to Sen.Dodd, Obama has been in contact with Paulson and the Banking Committee throughout this whole episode, while McCain has not.

No wonder McCain has no idea what's happening in the world.

Don't any of his people have blackberrys? John McCain is running from himself. There is nothing for him to do in Washington but participate in photo-ops.

Obama and his advisers have been in constant communication with Washington.

Why not McCain? Can't do two things at once?

Originally Posted by CorpMediaSux

1st. Obama is going to vote on the bill and if he doesn't, then I probably won't vote for him. Mark my words.
2nd. Obama has been clear about what the kind of bill he would vote for, I've yet to hear McCain actually articulate what kind of bill he wants to see.
3rd. While Fox news delivers McCain campaign talking points, VERBATIM all morning on the air, no one has said what John McCain can actually DO "at his desk" in Washington.

The entire stunt is just like any campaign moment, it's about a quick, vague imagery with no specifics. McCain's going to "be there," but there doing what? He wants to "help in the crisis." But how? This shows he puts country first? Why? I just do not believe most Americans are going to be convinced by this stunt. And that's all it is. As I'm sure YOU know Matt.

Hmmm and what am I seeing on the television, John McCain, campaigning despite a "suspended" campaign. This is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Steve

Oh, I am, indeed.

A question, though: Why is Obama going back to Washington? What's he going to do?

You libs have had a field day lambasting McCain for going, saying there's nothing for him to do. Why, then, would Obama go back? Is there something that Obama can magically do that McCain can't do?

Therein lies the absolute hypocrisy of the moronic left. You'll laud Obama for returning to Washington and, in the same breath, criticize McCain for doing it.

So, if there's nothing to be done (which is something repeatedly pointed out by libs), will the libs be as harsh on Obama as they are on McCain for returning to Washington?

Originally Posted by andy764383

A nice consise literal interpretation, completely disregarding the symbolism of their actions.

Originally Posted by andy764383

The problem with your analysis is McCain never came out in favor of the bailout plan as proposed. That inconvenient fact invalidates your entire argument.

Originally Posted by Steve

Barbour will be asked to come down on one side or another, and he sure the fuck won't support Obama...

Originally Posted by BurningFlame

That's all McSame is good for...lies, lies and MORE lies.

Yep....

McCain has shown himself to be nothing more than a cheap one-trick casino gambling pimp.

Again...all McSame knows how to do is LIE, LIE and LIE!

America knows EXACTLY what McSame was up to with that stunt...more Razzle Dazzle. Nobody's fooled....well, except these Kool-Aid drinking Far Right Lunatic Fringers.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!
All one can do is LAUGH at the loons.


*snicker*

That's because no one CAN answer your question...without making McCain look like the complete FRAUD he is.

Seems like you missed the memo...McCain is nothing but a poser...he can't actually do or fix anything.

Palin is just dumb, perhaps even dumber than Bush...and that's pretty friggin dumb.

Did Obama call up at the last minute with some random LIE or EXCUSE? Can you tell us what exactly will be the good of Obama and/or McCain running in at this 11th hour to "save the day?" What specifically?

McCain is a disgrace to small towns and women everywhere. I wouldn't want her representing me if I were them.

McCain is only good at POSING. You know, saying neat things like "DRILL HERE! DRILL NOW!! DRILL HARD!! DRILL FAST!! DeFEAT IT!" etc., etc., etc.

Obama knows better than that...he's actually a confident leader.

Hey Einstein...Bush ASKED him to come to Washington. Get a grip!

*SMH*