Originally Posted by TheHighForester

It's not "quite a reach," it's what you intended to imply....

Originally Posted by Si modo

Now we have our answer to my questions. Rather than discuss the campaign, you wish to discuss other things. You start with Steve, and when called on it, you turn to a discussion of me. How very weak of you.

You haven't gotten to the point of being able to read my mind; I imagine if you try it again, though, you'll look just as foolish as you do now.

The rest of your post is more off topic claptrap.

Originally Posted by TheHighForester

There are rules of conduct in this forum, but none of them require that I accept whatever YOU post without rebuttal.

I made a post about John McCain and his need for support from Hailey Barbour. First Steve and then you chose to personalize the discussion. A full examination of the thread does not support your rapidly-shifting claims, and certainly does not bring you any credit. But at least your dedication to misrepresentations and irrelevancies appears consistent with your usual posting style.

Originally Posted by Si modo

More claptrap. When Steve commented on your Barbour post, you changed the topic to what a "bully" he is. I called you on it, and now you keep trying to make the topic me. Weak, very weak. Move on and do see if you can actually disagree with another poster without taking things so personally. Also, see if you can disagree with a poster and keep your ad hominem tendencies in check. It would be refreshing and it would help your focus and keep you on the actual topic.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

I kind of feel bad for him. As a Senator, he is one of those, like Obama, who takes the temperature of a room, and then builds from all sides. In the photo op yesterday, each of them sitting at ends of that long table, Obama and McCain were both inclined to be looking around the whole time, gauging where everyone else was at.

But for McCain he's got to be like, "Oh shit.....these people are so far apart I'm going to have to suspend my thing for at least another good week or so".

Obama's been clear, and from statements on his websites to interviews he did on Monday, you could tell he had read Paulson's proposal, and that's when he came out and insisted on his 4 points that must be in the bill.

But House Republicans don't want that. It's free-market all the way with them, with a guarantee of little or no oversight.

If McCain stands with them, he won't lose his base, but he'll look like a partisan hack who doesn't actually care for reform. And if he signs onto the thing that Obama supports, McCain's base and staunch conservatives will go back to not liking him, and it will confirm that he goes along with Bush on everything.

The hard lesson for McCain is that there really is no credit to be taken for this thing. No easy fixes.

I can't wait to see what happens next.

Originally Posted by TheHighForester

What would really be refreshing would be a dedication to honest discussion by all members of this forum.

Originally Posted by mudwhistle

There is not deal because the Democrats didn't work out the details with the Republicans. They presented this plan without consulting them and the Republicans presented theirs. Then arguing insued and Bush found it very hard to keep order.

My understanding is that one of the guilty parties in all of this, Barney Frank started shouting when he found out that the Republicans weren't about to let the Democrats ruin the banking industry and then use taxpayers money to bail it out, essentially seazing a huge part of the market. Everything else is unclear.

But this is really troubling. Earlier this year Maxine Waters revealed during the Oil Industry hearings that the Dems were intending on Nationalizing the Oil Industry. The way they intended on doing it was by putting them in financial trouble through heavy taxes, as Hillary said "Take their profits", and by causing the price of gas to rise so fast that the public would demand it. It looks like they're trying to do the same thing to the banking industry.

Originally Posted by Si modo

I guess I could take that personally as a suggestion that I am being dishonest as you take simple declarations as suggestions about you, but I'm not into taking things personally as you do and I have no persecution issues.

That doesn't keep you from your ad hominem tendencies and cowardly swipes, though. Don't worry, both Steve and I are pretty tough and can handle such weak arguments changing the focus of the topic to the poster.

So, enough of your silliness and onto the topic. As there is no deal - the Republicans have offered something new and pissed off both the Dems and the President - I wonder if there will be a debate today? I fully expected a deal, based on Democrats time in front of the camera yesterday and assumed that the debate would go on. Now there is no deal.

Interestingly enough, neither JSM nor BHO had much to offer during the meeting last night, yet the move by House Republicans is being blamed on JSM.

So, either the Dems were playing the press by giving the impression that there would be a deal, knowing full well the Republicans were not cool with it, or the Republicans did a last minute U-turn. It's hard to tell.

Originally Posted by BurningFlame

Hey Einstein...Bush ASKED him to come to Washington. Get a grip!

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Yeah, I can't tell if McCain is to blame for that. What is for sure is that the minute Obama and McCain got to Washington, everything started to go to shit.

It's like partisan defenses went up and it turned everyone stupid.

I can't tell if McCain was supposed to get House Republicans to move a little like how Obama was supposed to move Democrats a little, or if McCain was supposed to "represent" because historically he's been a deregulator, and so the House Republican plan, headed by Boehner, is where he would normally sit on the matter.

But since McCain has lifted the same talking points about regulation, golden parachutes, and help that goes to the regular person more than the wealthy person, he's kind of stuck having to go more towards the Democrat plan. He's really put himself in the toughest of positions.

Can't wait to see what the House Republicans decide today, since apparently they're not even showing up to meet or hash anything out.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

I'm aware "there is not deal".

That's why I wrote "I can't wait to see what happens next".

I even portrayed McCain as dropping in the middle of a snake pit with a bunch of people with opposing viewpoints and going, "Oh shit....".

Originally Posted by TheHighForester

Now that's a good one, Steve, "When push comes to shove."

There are two things I'm pretty confident about, Steve. First, I'm confident that I know Hailey Barbour A WHOLE LOT better than you do; and second, I am confident that Hailey Barbour will not tolerate either being pushed or shoved.

As I noted above, Hailey Barbour can choose to sit on his hands, and there is nothing a foul-mouthed wanna-be-cyber-bully named Steve can do about it.

Originally Posted by TheHighForester

I made a post about John McCain and his need for support from Hailey Barbour. First Steve and then you chose to personalize the discussion.

Originally Posted by mechadave

The title to this thread should be "McCain Pretends to Suspend Campaign to get Attention." Let us review his non-partisan activities since the suspension.

Fact:
McCain's offensively false attack ads against Obama went on unimpeded- in spite of his promises to stop them....