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Imperator · #**496** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Seems to me Obama did actually revolutionize campaign financing.

Andrew

by being the first to opt out yes, he did...

Impugn · #**497** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

by being the first to opt out yes, he did...

Oh, snap!

I'm not a big fan of the CFR, though.

snowden · #**498** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Impugn

He'd likely be of the Scoop Jackson mold, so, far from reprehensible.

Nah, more like a what John Kerry could have been if he had brains, balls, and personality. Actually, come to think of it that seems like a pretty scary idea for some people on the right.

Andrewl · #**499** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

by being the first to opt out yes, he did...

No. By raising millions of dollars from small individual donors. That is truly grassroots type stuff.

Yes he opted out, but if he can raise money the way he did what need does he have for public financing in the first place?

Andrew

TheLastBoyScout · #**500** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by AJG

According to something I read from Electoral-vote.com: President, Senate, House Updated Daily there are a couple reasons why McCain "suspended" his campaign. One was he needed a rest (no ageism intended, every presidential hopeful needs a rest somewhere along the line). The second was that he needed to save the campaign donations for later use because he was being severely outspent by the Obama campaign. McCain needs as much money as possible for later use.

If this is true then you would probably be half right on the first point. Perhaps he was still airing ads in certain states, but he probably was doing it a lot less frequently than he usually would. It also means that his campaign probably thought this move would atleast make up for all the ads he didn't air.
If so they took a huge risk.

Maybe.. He did get a nice long sleep between announcing the imperative of his involvement in Washington and his actual arrival the next morning.

I don't think this decision was based on their financial position. It was a calculated political maneuverer. McCain threw a "Hail Mary" Pass, as many pundits are saying......and it looks as if McCain's pass fell way short of the end-zone...... he didn't have the arm.

Impugn · #**501** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by snowden

Nah, more like a what John Kerry could have been if he had brains, balls, and personality. Actually, come to think of it that seems like a pretty scary idea for some people on the right.

This could be its own thread. I have watched every single episode. I have to disagree. I'll leave it at that.

(Brains and balls? He'd be well on his way to being a conservative, then...

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snowden · #**502** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Impugn

This could be its own thread. I have watched every single episode. I have to disagree. I'll leave it at that.

(Brains and balls? He'd be well on his way to being a conservative, then...

)

Well the comparison to Kerry is mostly a reference to his service record and anti-war positions, Kerry was just the first prominent Dem off the top my head. Start the thread and I'll gladly participate, this is fun.

Jason Marcel · #**503** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by mechadave

Bill did say that, but remember he was still waiting for McCain to show up to his confrence to speak, so politely declining to call McCain a fraud was probably in Bill's best interest at the time.

Besides, Obama and Biden have been very cautious about calling attention to McCain's many falsehoods or to publicly questioning the POW's motives.

But, since I'm not part of Obama's campaign, I can and do question his motives. President Clinton may not have that freedom.

The strategy from Obama and some of the top Democrats is to stay above the frey and let the surrogates question McCain and to also let McCain hand himself with his own noose.

Today, yet another conservative commentator came out and asked Gov.Palin to just step aside. The conservatives are splintered and fractionned, and everytime McCain pulls a stunt to grab attention, it focuses the spotlight on his bad judgment.

Imperator · #**504** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Impugn

Oh, snap!

I'm not a big fan of the CFR, though.

actually I was referring to the campaign election financing funds, I just let it roll....

Imperator · #**505** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

The strategy from Obama and some of the top Democrats is to stay above the frey and let the surrogates question McCain and to also let McCain hand himself with his own noose.

Today, yet another conservative commentator came out and asked Gov.Palin to just step aside. The conservatives are splintered and fractionned, and everytime McCain pulls a stunt to grab attention, it focuses the spotlight on his bad judgment.

wow you mean we are actually discussing it? Imagine that, am open frank discussion in public about their own parties direction…..what a concept!!!!!

well maybe we'll go back in a time machine and see it on the 1929 television ole Joe was referring to with FDR doing the speech.....

and as top your strategy I'd say if nothing else palin has beat you to it....

mudwhistle · #**506** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

Maybe.. He did get a nice long sleep between announcing the imperative of his involvement in Washington and his actual arrival the next morning.

I don't think this decision was based on their financial position. It was a calculated political maneuverer. McCain threw a "Hail Mary" Pass, as many pundits are saying......and it looks as if McCain's pass fell way short of the end-zone...... he didn't have the arm.

Does anyone really know what happened during that meeting and why it feel to pieces?

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At the meeting, you had McCain and Obama, you had John Boehner, you had Dingy Harry Reid, you had Barney Frank. Chris Dodd was in there. Pelosi was in there. There were some others, but these are the principals. Remember, Paulson -- and this is crucial here. Paulson, the Treasury Secretary, called Lindsey Grahamnesty. This according to Bob Schieffer of CBS.

Paulson called Lindsey Grahamnesty and said, "Look, I need the House Republicans. I need Republicans on this. We can't get anywhere without them. You've gotta call McCain. He's the only one that can do it." So that's why McCain goes to Washington, and they end up having a four o'clock meeting at the White House yesterday. They all think they're going into a negotiating session. The president, in order to let everybody be heard, deferred to various Democrats, and every one of the Democrats -- Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, and Frank -- declined to speak and deferred to Obama. So Obama became the official Democrat spokesman in the meeting. This was to hype Obama's leadership and presidential aura and so forth. What happened next, the first thing out of Obama's mouth -- Paulson is in the meeting -- is he starts ripping the House Republican proposal and asks Paulson what he thinks of it.

This led Boehner and the other Republicans in there to think they have been sandbagged. We found out this morning that Obama had no clue -- because he was in transit doing other things, he had no clue -- what the House Republican position was. What happened was that on the way to the meeting sometime during the day, Obama's staff received an e-mail from Treasury Department employees who work for Paulson detailing the House Republican plan. So when the Democrats deferred to Obama, he launched into that. He had no clue what it was. That's why he asked Paulson for his comments. I don't know what Paulson said, but this is what led to the fireworks. This is what led to everything breaking down in there. This is why Dingy Harry walked out, 'cause it didn't work.

It ended up with Obama essentially chairing the meeting, with the meeting falling apart. The president was described as "beleaguered," trying to regain control of the meeting. McCain didn't say hardly anything. Everybody was yelling and screaming in there. McCain did not. He said, "We've gotta put these differences aside, work together," you know, typical McCain. "According to an Obama campaign source..." and this is from the American Spectator blog today. "According to an Obama campaign source, the notes on the Republican position, House Republican position were passed to Obama via senior aides traveling with him who had been e-mailed the document via a current Goldman Sachs employee and Wall Street fundraiser for the Obama campaign. The Obama campaign source said, 'It was made clear the memo was from friends and it was reliable.' The memo, which basically briefed Obama on the Republican position..."

You see, Obama did not defend the Democrat position on this. He led off with an attack on the Republican position, as though it was a shock and a surprise, under the auspices that this deal had already been agreed to. When of course there's no surprise about what House Republicans believe and there's no surprise what conservatism is. "The memo allowed Obama and his fellow Democrats to box in Republican attendees and essentially took what President Bush had billed as a negotiating meeting off the rails." Now, "'Paulson and his team have not acted in good faith for this President or the administration for which they serve,' says a House Republican leader who was not present at the White House meeting" and told the American Spectator. Paulson -- Goldman Sachs -- is a Democrat. He's very close to Chuck Schumer, and obviously close to Obama.

So this whole meeting yesterday essentially was established to show off Obama's leadership skills and negotiating skills, and he blew it!

Obama was off -- they're confirming this, too, but not in as slam-dunk a way. But they're confirming that without the prompter he doesn't know what he's doing in there; things broke down quickly after his first point was raised. It was a disaster with Obama at the helm, and he probably made a fool of himself in that room, and the Democrats are running interference today trying to lay all this failure and all this off on McCain. It is no wonder he didn't want to be in Washington when the sausage was being made, to use a cliche. It's no wonder. McCain forced him there, dragged him there kicking and screaming. That post-meeting statement -- by the way, it took a few hours to come up with this, you know? He and his 300 PR advisors had to craft that statement. Play sound bite number two again. Listen to this.

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OBAMA: "I think that the way that I've been working over the last week, constantly in contact with the secretary and the congressional leaders, um, uh, eh, you know, may end up creating an environment in which you can actually get somethin' done."

I can't get over that. He's admitting something can't get done with him in the room, in charge of things. He's admitting it here! He was in charge and the meeting ended in chaos. Apparently Obama works best when leaders get their hands dirty and he can talk to them by phone. Because that way when he's on the phone his thinkers can sort out what his reaction should be to what he is hearing on the other end of the phone.

The True Story: What Really Happened at the White House

Democrats are trying to blame all of this on McCain. They are flat out LYING!!!!

All McCain did was show up and give other Republicans moral support......as he should have.

It seems that as with so many examples in the past......whenever Democrats are involved it soon turns into a goat-fuck.

mudwhistle · #**507** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

Here's one of the reasons the Repugs couldn't sign on to the bill.

Groups like ACORN would have received 20% of the profit of the bail out deal instead of all of it going to paying down the National Debt.

Michelle Malkin » Kill the bailout: More ACORN funding?! (vid link added)

Si modo · #**508** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

LMAO. Impugn, you and I were thinking the same thing all along. JSM is doing the debate. What a ride, though; what a ride.

Jason Marcel · #**509** (**permalink**) 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

Here's one of the reasons the Repugs couldn't sign on to the bill.

Groups like ACORN would have received 20% of the profit of the bail out deal instead of all of it going to paying down the National Debt.

Michelle Malkin » Kill the bailout: More ACORN funding?! (vid link added)

I love the self-righteousness all of a sudden of the House Republicans. But they actually picked a fine time to finally care about the Constitution and the National Debt. Too bad they couldn't have been more that way when they were in control. But that reveals that being in control of gov't is like being controlled by some mysterious and wild beast that makes everyone spend like crazy and lose themselves.