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Old 09-26-2008
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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by being the first to opt out yes, he did...
Please tell me that you are not a Republican. I think my head would explode if a Republican was complaining about someone NOT taking tax money.
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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Si Modo you think that John McCain was trying to set up Obama?
I think it's pretty possible. I think JSM thought he could get points for being the first to announce a suspension. BHO didn't play what they thought. Then Plan B: drag it out, let the rhetoric against JSM and for JSM procede, then do the debate anyway. By doing it anyway, it nullifies any rhetoric about his suspension and he still gets points for "putting country first". Pretty slick, I must say.

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Old 09-26-2008
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

OTOH, if JSM bombs (because of more time spent on gamesmanship than prep), that would be pretty costly.
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Old 09-26-2008
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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I love the self-righteousness all of a sudden of the House Republicans. But they actually picked a fine time to finally care about the Constitution and the National Debt. Too bad they couldn't have been more that way when they were in control. But that reveals that being in control of gov't is like being controlled by some mysterious and wild beast that makes everyone spend like crazy and lose themselves.
You should get your facts straight.

When the Repugs were in charge we had the aftermath of 9/11, two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Katrina, various disasters and a total rebuild of the military............and all of the while the Dems were saying they should have spent more........that it never was enough.

Since the Dems have controled Congress they've reversed the shrinking deficit and run it back up to what it was before, record high deficit spending. Earmarks haven't stopped, the debt is still growing and the Dems are overseeing the distruction of the economy.

They must be proud of themselves.
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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I'm starting to think the debate commission should just have the debate with Obama by himself if McCain doesn't show up. If he is going to snub voters in the most important time to hear their thoughts on things and to evaluate how they are handling this crisis then he deserves to have the disadvantage of the other candidate getting 90 minutes of prime time network coverage without him.
They actually planned on going along with the program...with or without him.

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Scratch that. Looks like McCain has decided to go ahead after all.

McCain will go to debate - Politico Staff - Politico.com
Are you suprised that McCain CAVED like the weasely coward he is? He KNEW it was political suicide NOT to attend. His little stunt and razzle dazzle didn't work this time. Unfortunately, for him, he didn't realize how bad it would play until it was just too late.

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I don’t think that’s legal…they would be funding it and it would be considered paid pol. Advertising then…besides I think McCain said he will be there…
He BETTER be there. You know he was FORCED to show up...less he face the final EXTINCTION of his presidential ambitions.

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I guess McCain just isn't sincere enough to stand by his beliefs. Of course it was stupid of McCain to put himself in the situation in the first place. I wonder how all the people who defended McCain's decision to "not go to the debate" will justify this new flip flop.
There's just no way to justify McCain's little stunt. Him and his entire campaign are swiftly going down in a flaming bucket of cowdung.

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Set Obama up for what exactly? To look like he has a cool head during times of crisis? To look like a leader who doesn't put up with political theatre? McCain gambled and lost, just like the people who screwed up the "mortgage crisis".
McCain looked like Rookie of the year...no, scratch that...rookie on the bench.

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that from the candidate who was scared shitless and side stepped townhalls...well hey any port in storm...

yes but now THIS debate must go on!!!! What a riot….
LoL!!! McCain refused to negotiate the terms of the townhalls...it was his way or no way at all. Tough.
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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I think it's pretty possible. I think JSM thought he could get points for being the first to announce a suspension. BHO didn't play what they thought. Then Plan B: drag it out, let the rhetoric against JSM and for JSM procede, then do the debate anyway. By doing it anyway, it nullifies any rhetoric about his suspension and he still gets points for "putting country first". Pretty slick, I must say.
Its pretty amazing how you Far Right loons practically brainwash yourselves into seeing things positively, even in the face of imminent doom.

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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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Its pretty amazing how you Far Right loons practically brainwash yourselves into seeing things positively, even in the face of imminent doom.

I have no idea what a person on the "far right" would think, loon or not. I do know I like reality.
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

Greetings and Felicitations,

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Maybe.. He did get a nice long sleep between announcing the imperative of his involvement in Washington and his actual arrival the next morning.
Nope. No rest for McCain. He was up all night blowing off David Letterman for an interview with Katie Couric. Letterman was a big fan of McCain but he was really unhappy with the situation.

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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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They actually planned on going along with the program...with or without him.

Are you suprised that McCain CAVED like the weasely coward he is? He KNEW it was political suicide NOT to attend. His little stunt and razzle dazzle didn't work this time. Unfortunately, for him, he didn't realize how bad it would play until it was just too late.

He BETTER be there. You know he was FORCED to show up...less he face the final EXTINCTION of his presidential ambitions.

There's just no way to justify McCain's little stunt. Him and his entire campaign are swiftly going down in a flaming bucket of cowdung.

McCain looked like Rookie of the year...no, scratch that...rookie on the bench.

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LoL!!! McCain refused to negotiate the terms of the townhalls...it was his way or no way at all. Tough.

i suggest you read the link again.....
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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Its pretty amazing how you Far Right loons practically brainwash yourselves into seeing things positively, even in the face of imminent doom.

That's a bit of pot calling kettle black, is it not?
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That's a bit of pot calling kettle black, is it not?
I think it's more than just that. When you don't like a point, focus on the poster rather than the actual point. It's so much easier than that horrid thing called disagreement.
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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Greetings and Felicitations,



Nope. No rest for McCain. He was up all night blowing off David Letterman for an interview with Katie Couric. Letterman was a big fan of McCain but he was really unhappy with the situation.
Yeah, he sure sounded like a big fan when he was making fun of him mercilessly.
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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That's a bit of pot calling kettle black, is it not?
No, its not.
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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I think it's pretty possible. I think JSM thought he could get points for being the first to announce a suspension. BHO didn't play what they thought. Then Plan B: drag it out, let the rhetoric against JSM and for JSM procede, then do the debate anyway. By doing it anyway, it nullifies any rhetoric about his suspension and he still gets points for "putting country first". Pretty slick, I must say.
I think it's also possible. However for McCain to have won points on this Obama would have had to play along and also delay the debate. This was a foolish risk imo because McCain can't control any variables in this situation. Take public opinion for example: According to polls referenced previously in thsi thread more Americans than I expected felt that the debates should continue, which means that off the bat most Americans polled disagreed with McCain's position. Likewise there was very little incentive for Obama to actually pull out of the debates. If Obama stayed then he looked "unpatriotic" however if he followed McCain he wouldn't have looked like a leader.

McCain took a risk but I think he or his planners didn't prepare for what could have happened next. Since it became increasingly obvious that the debate would continue whether McCain was there or not he was put into a difficult situation. By not showing up Obama gets a free publicity. Let's also not forget the Harry Reid is the Senate Majority Leader. He could have easily played up the "nothing is happening right now" while McCain was left sitting on his hands in Washington while Obama is given an opportunity to essentially give talking points in prime time.

The final nail in my opinion though is that John McCain has now backed down. If he had stayed in Washington at least he could have seemed more principled on this matter. Since he backed out though he just looks insincere and possible outright dishonest. He also has to now defend his position of why he has decided to attend to the debates should the situation come up during the debates.

Si Modo, you may see it as a slick maneuver but I think it was a foolish and impulsive move.
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Re: Merged - "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

Si modo will continue seeing it as a "slick maneuver" because he's DRUNK on the Far-Right Lunatic Fringe Kool-Aid. He can't help himself cause he can't even see straight.
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