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Old 09-24-2008
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I like McCain's move here. It elevates him and shows him to be a man of character who places Country above campaign, and simultaneously shows Obama to be a self serving partisan who places his own ambition over the needs of the country. Another brilliant move by the McCain team. Bravo.
How does McCain doing anything show Obama to be "self-serving" unless you're simply looking for evidence to support a conclusion you formed from the get-go? And, if the point of this move by McCain is to "expose" Obama as self-serving, then isn't it self-serving of McCain, as in, literally, he did something that serves his own interests?

Edit: And, furthermore, there has been no shortage of economic turmoil over the last few months. By the logic here, aren't they both self serving narcissists for campaigning while these collapses were happening instead of "doing something"?
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Gee, no shit Sherlock? This ain't about an economic downturn, this is about the major banks being on the verge of collapse.... admittedly, thru' their own greed but banks collapsing is a tad more serious than an 'economic downturn'...

McCain is the one showing leadership - getting his priorities straight. No point havng debates if the country's financial institutions are about to sink. Go back to Washington and participate in solving the issue, delaying a chat for a few days is no big deal. Banks collapsing is most certainly a big deal.
How would a few hours out of McCain's time affect the economy?
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Re: "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

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Gee, no shit Sherlock? This ain't about an economic downturn, this is about the major banks being on the verge of collapse.... admittedly, thru' their own greed but banks collapsing is a tad more serious than an 'economic downturn'...

McCain is the one showing leadership - getting his priorities straight. No point havng debates if the country's financial institutions are about to sink. Go back to Washington and participate in solving the issue, delaying a chat for a few days is no big deal. Banks collapsing is most certainly a big deal.
Ha hahahahaha.....Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, CG!
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The way I see it is, McCain has said that the problem can not be fixed without him being there and by suspending his campaign he has taken this problem on his shoulders (not literally but in perception) and has set himself up either for a great victory or a great defeat.

If they reach a bill that solves the problem but only rewards the banks and not help the American people then he might as well stay home on Nov 4th.

On the other hand if the bill takes care of the American people and not so much the banks then he stands a much better chance in Nov.
That's a good point. If he does this and Obama doesn't follow his lead, he's pegging his campaign hopes largely to whatever congress shits out and the public perception thereof. Of course, if Obama follows suit, then it's a wash, and Obama loses for looking like a follower struggling to catch up, I'd imagine.
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Re: the debates - I strongly disagree with you. I find these Presidential debates to be stagecraft of the highest order! Every question is scripted, every answer is rehearsed in advance, every move is planned for effect, ad nauseum. I can probably predict every answer to every question by each candidate! My preferred venue for a truly substantive debate is a town hall type of meeting - where the candidates are questioned by real people. Then there are follow up questions and the candidates have to think on their feet. This is a far better venue for getting a look at the real person. I get practically nothing from these 3 minute "stump speeches" the debates have turned into.......
I don't think there's too much difference between the two but i agree with what you said about the debates, they are choreographed for the most part and totally set up for the spouting of talking points, Rove's brilliance in the last cycle aside.

Though town halls aren't any better, even if McCain does try and make hay out of them.
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Why not just move the VP debates to Fri. and Obama & McCain can take their slot?
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I don't think there's too much difference between the two but i agree with what you said about the debates, they are choreographed for the most part and totally set up for the spouting of talking points, Rove's brilliance in the last cycle aside.

Though town halls aren't any better, even if McCain does try and make hay out of them.
The town hall stuff would have been more interesting to me. McCain seems to thrive extemporaneously while Obama struggles. It might have been an interesting contrast to the impressive speeches of Obama that have predominated lately.
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Why not just move the VP debates to Fri. and Obama & McCain can take their slot?
I think that would obligate Biden to cancel them and run off to Washington singing, "Here I come to save the day!!!"
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The town hall stuff would have been more interesting to me. McCain seems to thrive extemporaneously while Obama struggles. It might have been an interesting contrast to the impressive speeches of Obama that have predominated lately.
Well then i guess they're even, Obama snuffed the TH idea and McCain scuppered one of the debates, tit for tat maybe?
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Why not just move the VP debates to Fri. and Obama & McCain can take their slot?
Because they aren't done rehearsing.
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We have only where they say the stand on the issues (and partisanship, in many cases) as a guide. In terms of trying to discern what they will actually do, the more input the better. For instance, I'm skeptical that Obama will only swipe the richest few with tax hikes, and I suspect that McCain is pandering to the religious "right" only to give them the finger once in office, but neither of them will say as much on their websites. I was holding out for McCain's VP decision, which is important in my eyes, given his advanced age, and the decision he made resulted in me being less likely to vote for him. Another strong factor for me is which direction I think the Congress is going to swing, if any.



I would rather have seen a town hall meeting as well, but Obama apparently didn't want this, which is too bad. But, watching the candidates debate adversarially in some limited capacity is better than campaign commercials, websites, and partisan talking points.
I too was disappointed that Obama refused to do more town hall debates. I suppose his handlers recognized his weakness speaking extemporaneously (even the Obama hagiographers admit he is pretty bad off prompter!) and put the K-bosh on it.

In the end, it doesn't really matter to me anyway, my mind is already made up. I am voting for John McCain. IMHO, the last thing we need is a Democrat POTUS and a Democrat controlled Congress. I prefer divided government - they do far less damage that way!
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Re: "John McCain suspends campaigning..."

I think that a lot of posters here don't understand the situation we are in and where it could lead because they are not standing in a soup line (yet).
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I too was disappointed that Obama refused to do more town hall debates. I suppose his handlers recognized his weakness speaking extemporaneously (even the Obama hagiographers admit he is pretty bad off prompter!) and put the K-bosh on it.

In the end, it doesn't really matter to me anyway, my mind is already made up. I am voting for John McCain. IMHO, the last thing we need is a Democrat POTUS and a Democrat controlled Congress. I prefer divided government - they do far less damage that way!
For some strange reason I like it the other way around; Let's have a democrat for president and a republican Congress.
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I think that would obligate Biden to cancel them and run off to Washington singing, "Here I come to save the day!!!"
See this is where i don't get the whole "change" thing, apparently DC is broke according to every panderer on the planet and yet when something else is broke McCain now runs to Washington to well...i guess be a part of that Washington that is apparently broke to try fix the other problem. One broke thing helps fix another? At least there's only a trillion dollars at stake here...
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I think that a lot of posters here don't understand the situation we are in and where it could lead because they are not standing in a soup line (yet).
I think many of us just believe McCain can do absolutely nothing to help fix the economy.
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