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You don't necessarily need all those things to win. If a player can win with only some of those attributes, he/she is still a role model athlete, unless, of course, that person won by breaking the rules of the game, which OJ never did (as far as anyone can tell).
Bullshit. The mere fact that he won games means nothing more than he was a good athelete surrounded by other good atheletes. It does not make him a model of anything, except maybe how to train in the gym.

The other facts about him - a long history of violence, an overblown ego, obvious stupidity - clearly outweigh any athletic prowess he may have had at one point in determining whether or not he's a role model.
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and NFL Hall of Famer and Heisman trophy recipient.

FYI, being a "probable murderer" doesn't mean anything; only being a convicted murderer matters.



See above. BTW, Mrs. M., what awards have you won in your life?



Yep, means I admire folks that have a record of accomplishment as opposed to voting for. . .

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Oh goody! OJ won a Heisman trophy as have 72 other guys and he's in the Hall of fame along with well over 100 others. As exclusive as those things are, they definitely don't make up for the fact that he was a wife beater nor that he was found responsible of wrongful death in civil court and guilty of kidnap and robbery in criminal court. He ceased to be a role model a long time ago and all his football awards prove is that he was great on the football field.

Any awards that I have or haven't won matters not to the topic of this discussion.

But go ahead, cupcake....worship your criminal all you want...just don't expect everyone to think you're sane.
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Charles Barkley once said "I am not a role model", and the media went nuts.

But it was, and is, absolutely true.

I can understand someone admiring Simpson's athletic prowess and trying to emulate that, but that's about it. And, frankly, there have been better running backs...
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Bullshit. The mere fact that he won games means nothing more than he was a good athelete surrounded by other good atheletes. It does not make him a model of anything, except maybe how to train in the gym.
It takes more than knowing how to "train in the gym" to be an NFL Hall of Famer.

If someone wants to know how to be a succesful football player, it would make more sense to ask/copy someone like OJ than, say, Mother Theresa.

That's what makes him a role model--someone to be emulated (although Theresa is a role model in another way).

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The other facts about him - a long history of violence, an overblown ego, obvious stupidity - clearly outweigh any athletic prowess he may have had at one point in determining whether or not he's a role model.
OMG if character was a requirement for being a role model, I doubt anyone in the NFL would qualify. Many of these greats (i. e. Randy Moss, Adam Jones, Michael Vick) have had several run-ins with the law. It's dumb to dismiss them completely because other aspects of their life didn't work out.

What about Rudy Guiliani? By your standards, he would not be a role model as a leader, because of his character (i. e. personal life screwups).
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It takes more than knowing how to "train in the gym" to be an NFL Hall of Famer.

If someone wants to know how to be a succesful football player, it would make more sense to ask/copy someone like OJ than, say, Mother Theresa.

That's what makes him a role model--someone to be emulated (although Theresa is a role model in another way).
Bah. If someone wants to be a successful football player, there are far better players to emulate - especially those who possess skill and class.



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OMG if character was a requirement for being a role model, I doubt anyone in the NFL would qualify. Many of these greats (i. e. Randy Moss, Adam Jones, Michael Vick) have had several run-ins with the law. It's dumb to dismiss them completely because other aspects of their life didn't work out.

What about Rudy Guiliani? By your standards, he would not be a role model as a leader, because of his character (i. e. personal life screwups).
And, I wouldn't list Giuliani as a role model. Nor Bill Clinton, for that matter.
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Oh goody! OJ won a Heisman trophy as have 72 other guys and he's in the Hall of fame along with well over 100 others. As exclusive as those things are,
Yep, they're pretty exclusive. Now Mrs. M will tell us what she's won in her life. . .

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they definitely don't make up for the fact that he was a wife beater nor that he was found responsible of wrongful death in civil court and guilty of kidnap and robbery in criminal court.
The wrongful death verdict was complete bull!@#$.

The jurors acted purely on emotion since it's impossible for someone who's been found innocent of a murder to be guilty of wrongful death in that same murder

OJ is a wife beater, and even if he were a convicted murderer, that does not exclude him from being a role model. A person can be a role model in one aspect of his/her life even though another aspect of it has been completely botched.

And incidentally, being a role model doesn't imply a being a God, i. e. someone to be worshiped. Mrs. M just appears unable to differentiate between the two.
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OMG if character was a requirement for being a role model, I doubt anyone in the NFL would qualify.
You don't seem to understand this but character is a major requirement in a role model. Take Brittney Spears, yep, the Kentwood trash can sing but her character is so lacking that mothers quit letting their little girls listen to her recordings. Randy Moss has decent stats but would I him as a role model for my grandson? Hell no! The guy lacks character.
I can go on and on with a list of NFL bad boys or other famous people who are a less than positive role model but I won't. Those of us that understand what a role model really is don't need the list and those that don't understand will continue to make excuses for the misfits.
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Yep, they're pretty exclusive. Now Mrs. M will tell us what she's won in her life. . .
As I said, cupcake, my awards aren't the topic nor do I feel the need to share them with you.




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The wrongful death verdict was complete bull!@#$.

The jurors acted purely on emotion since it's impossible for someone who's been found innocent of a murder to be guilty of wrongful death in that same murder

OJ is a wife beater, and even if he were a convicted murderer, that does not exclude him from being a role model. A person can be a role model in one aspect of his/her life even though another aspect of it has been completely botched.
Of course you would say it was bullshit!!! You hate to think that your role model is really a bad person.

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I know what a role model is suppose to be. YOU'RE the one that doesn't understand it!
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Bah. If someone wants to be a successful football player, there are far better players to emulate - especially those who possess skill and class.
Back in 1976?

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And, I wouldn't list Giuliani as a role model. Nor Bill Clinton, for that matter.

One has to give Guiliani credit for hiring a police chief that reduced crime in NY and for his leadership during 9/11.

Should GWB be the role model instead? After all, he's been faithfully married to his first wife
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Back in 1976?
1976?

Yeah, ever hear of Franco Harris?

He scored 14 touchdowns for the Steelers in 1976, while OJ Simpson scored only eight for the Bills.

The Steelers also won the Super Bowl that season...
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Back in 1976?
Uh, yeah, we had great players way back then.


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Should GWB be the role model instead? After all, he's been faithfully married to his first wife
One can give credit where credit is due without believing that the person should be viewed as a role model.
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The wrongful death verdict was complete bull!@#$.

The jurors acted purely on emotion since it's impossible for someone who's been found innocent of a murder to be guilty of wrongful death in that same murder
More evidence that you don't understand the American legal system.
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Back in 1976?
Yep.

Even all the way back to 1956.


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No, one doesn't. Choosing a police chief? Not that big of a deal. Leadership? More like capitalizing on a tragedy.

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Clearly not.

But, I think you're misunderstanding the concept of a role model. A role model isn't just a person who is good at one thing, all other things be damned.
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Well white folks got their revenge at last. Congrats.
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