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Old 10-23-2008
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Re: Palin Supports "Path to Citizenship" for Illegals

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ah...I see.....so, she basically played to the crowd...got it.
I think any politician would...and does.

She sent a positive, but vague message (and ultimately meaningless) to the latino community. Her statement has committed her to nothing.

It's a familiar dance... Obama does it on some issues, McCain does it on some issues... why not Palin?
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Re: Palin Supports "Path to Citizenship" for Illegals

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Who wouldnt support a path to citizenship? What am I missing here?
Lou Dobbs?

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I support 'a path to citizenship' as do most conservatives. Hell, I don't know anyone that doesn't support immigration. We are a nation of immigrants. It starts with following the law and immigrating legally. If you are here ILLEGALLY, you should be worried.
Do you support a path to citizenship that doesn't involve all illegals having to leave the country first? I think that was the question and I never understood how anyone who really wants to solve the problem can advocate this. Some will leave but the rest will go further into the shadows and the problem will remain. Obviously it would be the most 'fair' decision but practically it wont work. When I tackle a problem I want it solved for good. I think the US needs to secure the border first (unlike in '86) then take the hit and give everyone unconditional amnesty. Problem solved forever.
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Old 10-23-2008
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Re: Palin Supports "Path to Citizenship" for Illegals

Personally, I am anti-immigration. Another reason for me to be opposed to Palin.
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Old 10-23-2008
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Re: Palin Supports "Path to Citizenship" for Illegals

The problem with the McCain-Palin ticket is not that they are stupid it's that they have absolutely no ability to stay on message and articulate a consistently conservative opinion. It's getting sad.
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Old 10-23-2008
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Re: Palin Supports "Path to Citizenship" for Illegals

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The issue is really very simple -we have millions of people living and working here that do not have legal status. They have not followed the laws we have established for lawful immigration. Now the hard part - what do we do about it? Do we deport them all as soon as we catch them? Do we only deport those arrested for crimes? which cirmes? a parking ticket? or just violent crimes? Do we make exceptions for people that have been here "X" amount of years; how many years then? what about those illegals who have children who were born here? Do we support deporting entire families if the children then? what about the millions that are working and paying payroll taxes? Are Barney Frank (see sig line) and the democrat Congress going to cut spending to make up for that loss of federal income? I doubt it!! Do we let these "law breakers" shit on the rule of law?? Most americans oppose any amnesty. So what do we do?

Like I said, it is a very simple issue !! albeit one that is very complicated and difficullt to solve.
It's not complicated at all:

1) Reissue everyone here legally a biometrically-enhanced social security card

2) Make it the only acceptable form of proof of legal working status

3) Increase the penalties for hiring illegal immigrants by a factor of 10.

4) In concert with these reforms, dramatically increase the number of guest worker visas, especially for skilled professions.

Do those four things and illegals won't be able to find steady work; if they can't find steady work they'll leave. This policy has the benefit of punishing employers directly rather than illegals, which is much easier to sell politically. You can spin it as preventing the exploitation of laborers and protecting the wages of semi-skilled people who are here legally. Further, you pre-empt the cries of "racist" by tying it directly to a major expansion of legal immigration.

This is one of those problems that would be very easy to solve if Hispanics voted 50-50 rather than 65-35. Because of that imbalance, it's all electoral politics rather than economics driving the issue. Right now, politicians who want all the Hispanics to be legal is because they'll get more votes, on net, and politicians who want to limit the number becoming legal is because they will lose votes, on net. It's less a partisan divide than it is a function of congressional district demographics--though that works out to more Dems supporting amnesty than Repubs. Sad, really.
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Old 10-24-2008
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Re: Palin Supports "Path to Citizenship" for Illegals

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Lou Dobbs?



Do you support a path to citizenship that doesn't involve all illegals having to leave the country first? I think that was the question and I never understood how anyone who really wants to solve the problem can advocate this. Some will leave but the rest will go further into the shadows and the problem will remain. Obviously it would be the most 'fair' decision but practically it wont work. When I tackle a problem I want it solved for good. I think the US needs to secure the border first (unlike in '86) then take the hit and give everyone unconditional amnesty. Problem solved forever.
I must - i know how to solve the issue. It is truly a complex probem with no simple answer.. I am compassionate. I have neighbors that are illegals. They are nice people! They have kids that are legal.


I admit I don't have a solution....some hard decisions need to be made.
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Put Tancredo in front of them and he'll start talking about why its best to shoot Mexicans at the border.
Tom Tancredo's the man...
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