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Re: McCain Campaigner Attacked, B Cut into her face

The girl that did this appears to have some serious mental issues. She apparently does not remember blacking the eye or scratching the 'B' into her face - it happened while she was in fugue state.

While what she did was wrong and could have caused serious violence, I really don't believe this girl was capable of understanding the ramifications of her actions due to the severity of her mental illness.
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But you guys still have Cindy Sheehan.......she alone is worth 20 republican wackos.
Cause she's carving shit into her face and blaming it on ethnic minorities with politics she opposes?
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Wow. Not much to say, except some people are fucking ridiculous. It's kind of disgusting, really.
I agree, in fact they should charge her with a hate criime.
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Whoops.

Where's all the right wing hacks now?
dude I am right here...*WAVES*.
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Re: McCain Campaigner Attacked, B Cut into her face

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I agree, in fact they should charge her with a hate criime.
How?

On what grounds?
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Re: McCain Campaigner Attacked, B Cut into her face

I don't think it was as race-related as it was politcally-related.
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Re: McCain Campaigner Attacked, B Cut into her face

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Question is, how will the liberal media spin this? Will they track down terrible things this woman did and suggest she asked for it? Or will they simply ignore it?

What if the shoe was on the other foot? If a Republican did this to an Obama supporter? How many days would it be on the cover of the New York Times?
Well I guess this didn't pan out for you guys eh? A backwards B on her face??? This is why respectable media didn't report it unlike Fox news. Pathetic.
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McCain Communications Director Gave Reporters Incendiary Version Of "Carved B" Story

How typical of the knee-jerk, 'go with my gut' reactionary manner of McCain. It comes as no surprise that one of his employees would be as irresponsible as the candidate himself.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpoi...orters_inc.php

McCain Communications Director Gave Reporters Incendiary Version Of "Carved B" Story Before Facts Were Known
By Greg Sargent - October 24, 2008, 5:12PM

John McCain's Pennsylvania communications director told reporters in the state an incendiary version of the hoax story about the attack on a McCain volunteer well before the facts of the case were known or established -- and even told reporters outright that the "B" carved into the victim's cheek stood for "Barack," according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions.

John Verrilli, the news director for KDKA in Pittsburgh, told TPM Election Central that McCain's Pennsylvania campaign communications director gave one of his reporters a detailed version of the attack that included a claim that the alleged attacker said, "You're with the McCain campaign? I'm going to teach you a lesson."

Verrilli also told TPM that the McCain spokesperson had claimed that the "B" stood for Barack. According to Verrilli, the spokesperson also told KDKA that Sarah Palin had called the victim of the alleged attack, who has since admitted the story was a hoax.

The KDKA reporter had called McCain's campaign office for details after seeing the story -- sans details -- teased on Drudge.

The McCain spokesperson's claims -- which came in the midst of extraordinary and heated conversations late yesterday between the McCain campaign, local TV stations, and the Obama camp, as the early version of the story rocketed around the political world -- is significant because it reveals a McCain official pushing a version of the story that was far more explosive than the available or confirmed facts permitted at the time.

The claims to KDKA from the McCain campaign were included in an early story that ran late yesterday on KDKA's Web site. The paragraphs containing these assertions were quickly removed from the story after the Obama campaign privately complained that KDKA was letting the McCain campaign spin a racially-charged version of the story before the facts had been established, according to two sources familiar with the discussions.

The story with the removed grafs is still right here. We preserved the three missing grafs from yesterday:



A source familiar with what happened yesterday confirmed that the unnamed spokesperson was communications director Peter Feldman. Feldman was also quoted yesterday making virtually identical assertions on the Web site of another local TV station, WPXI. But those quotes, which we also preserved here, are also no longer available on WPXI's site, for reasons that are unclear.

This is problematic because the McCain campaign doesn't want to have been perceived as pushing an incendiary story that not only turned out to be a hoax but which police officials said today risked blowing up into a "national incident" and has local police preparing to file charges against the hoaxster.

There's no evidence that anyone from McCain national headquarters put out a version of events like this.

After the story appeared on KDKA's site and this and other pieces in the local press started flying around the political world, an Obama spokesperson in the state angrily insisted to KDKA that it was irresponsible for the station to air the McCain spokesperson's incendiary version of events before the facts were fully known, according to two sources familiar with the discussions.

After that, KDKA went back to McCain's Pennsylvania spokesperson, Feldman, and asked if he stood by the story as he'd earlier told it, but he started backing off the story, a source familiar with the talks says. That prompted KDKA to remove the grafs.

Feldman couldn't immediately be reached, and a McCain HQ spokesperson declined to comment.
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Re: McCain Campaigner Attacked, B Cut into her face

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Re: McCain Campaigner Attacked, B Cut into her face

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How?

On what grounds?
didn't she finger a balck person?
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Re: McCain Campaigner Attacked, B Cut into her face

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She doesn't need help. She needs a stiff prison sentence. It's the same old shit as this:
Would you agree the Duke Lacross woman who cried rape deseres jail time too? (The stripper).

She of course is protected by laws that the likes of Biden helped get through like the shield laws etc. She cried rape though, not race or political motivation, makes a world of difference though eh?

This is what bugged me with the issue of Palin and rape kits, i don't mind the fact rape victims should get free kits to be tested, but for the love of God the least the taxpayer should be able to expect is their money back for the testing if she made it all up, seeing as its too politically incorrect to prosecute her for it!

Sometimes when you look at our legal system you've gotta scratch your head and wonder....
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Re: McCain Campaigner Attacked, B Cut into her face

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Would you agree the Duke Lacross woman who cried rape deseres jail time too? (The stripper).

She of course is protected by laws that the likes of Biden helped get through like the shield laws etc. She cried rape though, not race or political motivation, makes a world of difference though eh?

This is what bugged me with the issue of Palin and rape kits, i don't mind the fact rape victims should get free kits to be tested, but for the love of God the least the taxpayer should be able to expect is their money back for the testing if she made it all up, seeing as its too politically incorrect to prosecute her for it!

Sometimes when you look at our legal system you've gotta scratch your head and wonder....
I'm not sure how the law in PA works, but in CA, since she confessed to having fabricated the whole story, there is no protection.
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Re: McCain Campaigner Attacked, B Cut into her face

In certain instances like with the issue of rape, federal laws are written that obviously over-ride any state laws.
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Would you agree the Duke Lacross woman who cried rape deseres jail time too? (The stripper)
Absolutely, if she faked it and falsely charged them and it can be proven. I do not know why she was not charged but I assume it is due to the belief by the NC prosecuting authorities that they lack sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she criminally fabricated the story and/or they believe that it was more the result of the puffery and other wrongdoings of the now disgraced and disbarred former prosecutor Mike Nifong.

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She of course is protected by laws that the likes of Biden helped get through like the shield laws etc. She cried rape though, not race or political motivation, makes a world of difference though eh?
Not at all.

'Rape shield' laws and court rules do not immunise or hinder prosecution and/or lawsuits relating to false claims of rape. Rape shield laws and court rules are also not just a Biden or Democrat thing. They have been passed in each state or federal jurisdiction whether 'red,' 'blue' or 'purple.'

Here is PA's 'rape shield' statute as an example. 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 3104 provides as follows:

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§ 3104. Evidence of victim’s sexual conduct

(a) General rule.—Evidence of specific instances of the alleged victim’s past sexual conduct, opinion evidence of the alleged victim’s past sexual conduct, and reputation evidence of the alleged victim’s past sexual conduct shall not be admissible in prosecutions under this chapter except evidence of the alleged victim’s past sexual conduct with the defendant where consent of the alleged victim is at issue and such evidence is otherwise admissible pursuant to the rules of evidence.

(b) Evidentiary proceedings.—A defendant who proposes to offer evidence of the alleged victim’s past sexual conduct pursuant to subsection (a) shall file a written motion and offer of proof at the time of trial. If, at the time of trial, the court determines that the motion and offer of proof are sufficient on their faces, the court shall order an in camera hearing and shall make findings on the record as to the relevance and admissibility of the proposed evidence pursuant to the standards set forth in subsection (a).
EVIDENCE OF VICTIM'S SEXUAL CONDUCT

The purpose of these kinds of laws is to prohibit the 'we'll show she's a dirty slut and you couldn't rape a slut like this who gives it up every time' defence in a sexual assault case and/or the gratuitous smearing of female witnesses to unfairly and improperly destroy their credibility with judges and juries with sexual mores prejudice and/or intimidate women into not coming forth to testify by not wanting to experience an open spectacle of having someone gratuitously smear and humilate them with their entire collateral and irrelevant sexual history.

Rape shield laws do nothing to immunise anyone from the application of crimes and/or civil torts relating to anyone who makes false charges, and they do not hinder the prosecution and/or suing of such people because they are inapplicable.

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This is what bugged me with the issue of Palin and rape kits, i don't mind the fact rape victims should get free kits to be tested, but for the love of God the least the taxpayer should be able to expect is their money back for the testing if she made it all up, seeing as its too politically incorrect to prosecute her for it!
Every jurisdiction of which I am aware allows and/or mandates restitution as applicable as part of the sentencing upon conviction. That would obviously include any costs of prosecution incurred in false charges, which would naturally include any rape kit fees.

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Sometimes when you look at our legal system you've gotta scratch your head and wonder....
I do that plenty for sure. But, in this case, you need not worry about those concerns.

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Re: McCain Campaigner Attacked, B Cut into her face

So why for the love of God hasn't she been prosecuted? From what i heard the feds would have gone in but weren't allowed to do so. (By all accounts available to the media she did go on a "hooey" of picking up money from rich white students but picked ones with good lawyers).
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