Evil perhaps, genocide no. Eliminating all germans was not the aim.

Thus its too far a stretch.

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So why are Israelis dropping bombs known to be highly inaccurate in civilian areas? Are Palestinian and Americans too poorly advanced (tech-wise) to get bombs that are more accurate? I'd say their goal is to cut down their population and strike fear into them, much like the goals of the allies during WWII. It's just that going a step further would make them too unpopular, and that's why they're half-assing it. Perhaps the allies have more of an excuse, given a higher urgency and lower tech ability. Hard to say with the allies.

Why cluster bombs? Negligent disregard for civilians.

The allies had no accurate means to taking out targets at the time.

Still it doesnt mean cos the isrealis can take out some targets with laser guided bombs that to not do so means they are fans of genocide.

Strike fear - yes.

cut down population - yes.

decimate urban areas so as to provide less civilian homes for pals to live in and hamas / hzbollah to fight among - yes

Genocide - no

Are you going to concede this?

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What? That because they stopped just short of announcing that they are doing this to exterminate them, that they don't have genocidal tendencies? No.

Stopped just short? No, they havent planned for genocide.

and yes they are not fans of genocide.

are you going to concede that their cluster bombing actions are not genocidal?

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So it's been totally incidental for these last couple of years? Why should I concede that?

not incidental and not genocidal either. genocidal requires a different order of offensive action.

you should concede it because its simply an unworkable hypothesis, i.e. not fitting either the definition or the facts. are you going to concede it?

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Once again, I didn't say it was actual genocide, I said the Israelis are fans of genocide. It may not be outright genocide, but it's as close as they can get without becoming too unpopular. It's not "totally exterminate them," it's "cut down their population." The goal is not too different.

you said they are fans of genocide and cited their use of cluster bombs as evidence.

it is no such thing and even to cut down their population is not a genocidal act in any sense.

genocide is a specific thing.

what you may more accurately say is, they conduct indiscriminate campaigns that sometimes have involved even ethnic cleansing.

are you ready to concede this?

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So what is your definition of it?Ethnic cleansing is a euphemism referring to the persecution through imprisonment, expulsion, or killing of members of an ethnic minority by a majority to achieve ethnic homogeneity in majority-controlled territory.[1] It is sometimes used interchangeably with the more connotatively severe term genocide.

Of isreali actions? Its collective punishment.

Not for genocide or genocidal.

Applying genocide to incidences of e.cleansing is inaccurate. As the aims and scope are different.

It is used interchangebly, but that is mistaken and often by those who wish to raise certain crimes to higher orders to encourage a stronger international action.

E. cleansing is no more genocidal in many ways than plain old mass murder is, or terrorism or any of the other standard actions of war that catch civilians. Its about scale, and Isreali cluster bombing doesnt come in to that scale of killing in any way that can be separated from other violent actions.

Are you ready to concede this point?

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Like I said, they stopped just short of genocide, but are fans of it (see: ethnic cleansing).Except that it's one ethnicity's government doing it against another ethnic group.

If cluster bombing is just short of genocide then most powers in the world who kill civilians in bombing raids are also just stopping short of genocide.


Of course Id readily concede that conflicts moslty involve different ethnicities, it doesnt mean were always or in this case talking of ethnic cleansing.

So given my concession do you then concede that E. cleansing is no more genocidal in many ways than plain old mass murder is, or terrorism or any of the other standard actions of war that catch civilians. Its about scale, and Isreali cluster bombing doesnt come in to that scale of killing in any way that can be separated from other violent action?

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It's not just the "cluster bombs," it's the "kills civilians" part you seem to be ignoring.No. It is closer to genocide than plain old mass murder.

Chocobot, I'm sure this will end the way all of Slon's childish drivel does:

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