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Old 05-01-2009
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Re: Obama approved by America

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Still average though. I'm not knocking the guy. I'm just saying that it should not be touted as anything other than what it is...average. Does the disapproval at more than double the average seem in any way a cause for concern to you? Please don't dismiss it as partisan because they all had to deal with that and this president claimed he would be a unifier. That number along with the party gap seem to indicate he has been less than willing to reach across the aisle despite his campaign rhetoric.
Well this average is better than some 20 years of politics, so I think most people would be happy with that.

The disapproval rating is interesting, but it could be Obama not reaching out or its the rights intransigence.
Id think the amounts who have moved from dont knows or fence sitting to approval, despite the times we are in, is more telling.

Besides this 29% are likely the same kind of people who thought Bush was a good guy, he did find WMDs and the US was doing better than ever for the last 8 years - somebody had to think that right?
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Re: Obama approved by America

Dick morris says it best.. when looking at these poll numbers.. remember a few things...


OBAMA SOWS SEEDS OF DEMISE at DickMorris.com

For Americans to conclude that they disapprove of their president in the midst of an earth-shaking crisis is very difficult. But as Obama’s daily line moves from “I inherited this mess” to “There are faint signs of light,” the clock starts ticking. If there is no recovery for the next six months — and I don’t think there will be — Obama will inevitably become part of the problem, not part of the solution.

And then will come his heavy lifting. He has yet to raise taxes, regiment healthcare or provide amnesty for illegal immigrants. He hasn’t closed down the car companies he now runs and he has not yet forced a 50 percent hike in utility bills with his cap-and-trade legislation. These are all the goodies he has in store for us all.

Obama’s very activism these days arrogates to himself the blame for the success or failure of his policies. Their outcome will determine his outcome, and there is no way it will be positive.

Why?

• You can’t borrow as much as he will need to without raising interest rates that hurt the economy;

• The massive amount of spending will trigger runaway inflation once the economy starts to recover;

• His overhaul of the tax code (still in the planning phases) and his intervention in corporate management will create such business uncertainty that nobody will invest in anything until they see the lay of the land;

• His bank program is designed to help banks, but not to catalyze consumer lending. And his proposal for securitization of consumer loans won’t work and is just what got us into this situation.

So Mr. Obama should enjoy his poll numbers while he may.
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Re: Obama approved by America

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65 percent approve of Obama after 100 days - UPI.com

It seems America is with Obama and thinks he's been pretty good. Despite the numerous threads started here about him.

Do you agree with the majority of America?

If not, why do you think America thinks differently from you?
Honestly, the only statistics that matter for Obama is the US economic indicators. If the economy improves greatly in the next twelve months, the Obama girls are attending high-school from the Whitehouse. If the economy tanks (stays where it is) he'll be retired at 51.

Oops . . . my opinion is one post late. SEE ABOVE POST
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The disapproval rating is interesting, but it could be Obama not reaching out or its the rights intransigence.
Id think the amounts who have moved from dont knows or fence sitting to approval, despite the times we are in, is more telling.

Obama’s approval rating (68% to 63%) hasn’t changed much from when he was elected. His disapproval rating (12% to 31%) has been climbing pretty steadily. So what are the fence-sitters telling you?
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Obama’s approval rating (68% to 63%) hasn’t changed much from when he was elected. His disapproval rating (12% to 31%) has been climbing pretty steadily. So what are the fence-sitters telling you?
As posted above and written by Dick Morris:

He has yet to raise taxes, regiment healthcare or provide amnesty for illegal immigrants. He hasn’t closed down the car companies he now runs and he has not yet forced a 50 percent hike in utility bills with his cap-and-trade legislation. These are all the goodies he has in store for us all.
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Do you agree with the majority of America?

If not, why do you think America thinks differently from you?
Yes. I agree with most of America.

But only 100 days in, it's too early to tell if Obama's economic policies are going to help or hurt.

Aside from a few immediate actions, we are all basing our opinion of Obama on appearances and demeanor. The results are not in. so nobody, whether they are negative or positive about Obama, can give a conclusive appraisal without being disingenuous.

Basically, it's way to early to judge....but we certainly do enjoy speculating... and that's what this is.
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As posted above and written by Dick Morris:

He has yet to raise taxes, regiment healthcare or provide amnesty for illegal immigrants. He hasn’t closed down the car companies he now runs and he has not yet forced a 50 percent hike in utility bills with his cap-and-trade legislation. These are all the goodies he has in store for us all.


I thought this article was a bit more enlightening;

RealClearPolitics - Politics - Apr 30, 2009 - FACT CHECK: Obama's job, deficit claims are iffy
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Obama cult? It's a cross between Obama and Bush.
Really?

Then it must be 10% Bush and 90% Obama.

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Well this average is better than some 20 years of politics, so I think most people would be happy with that.

The disapproval rating is interesting, but it could be Obama not reaching out or its the rights intransigence.
Id think the amounts who have moved from dont knows or fence sitting to approval, despite the times we are in, is more telling.

Besides this 29% are likely the same kind of people who thought Bush was a good guy, he did find WMDs and the US was doing better than ever for the last 8 years - somebody had to think that right?
"The same kind of people...."

What about independent thought? The use of critical faculties?

It is possible to be have serious questions about the policies of a president without neccesarily supporting the opposition.

You seem to think that "not approving" of Obama is some sort of problem that needs to be investigated.

I don't even know what the question means. I am in strong disagreement on his economic policy. It's fair to make a judgment there because his administration is very far left and has not hesitated to put through a specific agenda. His foreign policy is not yet clear. I am disappointed so far, but it isn't possible to give an answer yet.

And I would not use the word "approve" anyway. It's a silly word.
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The next poll that matters to Obama will be taken in November 2012.
In the meantime, people are happy to see him do something (anything) that is different from what the last regime did.
I don't believe this crap about how he better turn the economy around in 6 months or it's all on him.
FDR took 10 years to turn the economy around, and he got reelected twice in the interim.
This economic disaster is the Bush Recession, if it lasts for years it will be Bush's depression. The next Democrat that gets blamed for a bad economy will be the guy who is in office when the economy turns bad AFTER we have recovered from this mess.
The current mess is, was and will be blamed on the GOP until it is over.

At least thats the way it always worked in the past, if you have some insight or data besides wishful thinking that indicates otherwise, that would be interesting. Dick Morris has been so wrong so often that when he says something you can almost use it as proof it will not happen that way.
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The next poll that matters to Obama will be taken in November 2012.
In the meantime, people are happy to see him do something (anything) that is different from what the last regime did.
I don't believe this crap about how he better turn the economy around in 6 months or it's all on him.
FDR took 10 years to turn the economy around, and he got reelected twice in the interim.
This economic disaster is the Bush Recession, if it lasts for years it will be Bush's depression. The next Democrat that gets blamed for a bad economy will be the guy who is in office when the economy turns bad AFTER we have recovered from this mess.
The current mess is, was and will be blamed on the GOP until it is over.

At least thats the way it always worked in the past, if you have some insight or data besides wishful thinking that indicates otherwise, that would be interesting. Dick Morris has been so wrong so often that when he says something you can almost use it as proof it will not happen that way.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that one bit. This is now Obama's economy. In his first few months, he's committed the US to spend more than Bush spent in 8 years. If things get worse, it will be Obama's fault, not Bush. If things stay the same, it's Obama's fault, not Bush. Bush has no say in the economy anymore. It is now entirely on the democrats. You have the WH, the Senate, and the House, there isn't a single thing you can blame on Republicans anymore. It doesn't matter if the Republicans are the party of, "No".

The next poll that will matter will not be 2012, it will be 2010.
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...This economic disaster is the Bush Recession, if it lasts for years it will be Bush's depression. The next Democrat that gets blamed for a bad economy will be the guy who is in office when the economy turns bad AFTER we have recovered from this mess.
The current mess is, was and will be blamed on the GOP until it is over....
That's not the way it works.

There is a hand-off point where the Dems will be held responsible. It's absurd to assume that Republicans will be blamed for the state of the economy a year from now.

At the same time - the Dems will be given credit if the economy turns up. So they will benefit from an expansion.

But during the periods when one party has an absolute stranglehold on power the US is essentially a one-party state (a very unhealthy situation) and that party is held responsible for just about everything.
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65 percent approve of Obama after 100 days - UPI.com

It seems America is with Obama and thinks he's been pretty good. Despite the numerous threads started here about him.

Do you agree with the majority of America?

If not, why do you think America thinks differently from you?
I think this has to be considered in the context of a majorly ambitious and packed full agenda that he's putting on, with pretty far reaching proposals for both domestic and foreign policy. Approval may shift as the fruits or lack thereof of those proposals take shape in the coming years, but if it appears that there is significant support for many of the big ideas he's put out there.
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That's not the way it works.

There is a hand-off point where the Dems will be held responsible. It's absurd to assume that Republicans will be blamed for the state of the economy a year from now.

At the same time - the Dems will be given credit if the economy turns up. So they will benefit from an expansion.

But during the periods when one party has an absolute stranglehold on power the US is essentially a one-party state (a very unhealthy situation) and that party is held responsible for just about everything.
The GOP will be rightly blamed for the starting point, which is incredibly low.

Where we go from there will the Dem responsibility. As long as there is improvement, its the Dems cleaning up a GOP-created mess.\\

(yes this is a major over-simplification as the Dems were not guiltless in helping to create the econ situation)

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I think this has to be considered in the context of a majorly ambitious and packed full agenda that he's putting on, with pretty far reaching proposals for both domestic and foreign policy. Approval may shift as the fruits or lack thereof of those proposals take shape in the coming years, but if it appears that there is significant support for many of the big ideas he's put out there.
I would agree with your assessment. The country seems to be split down the middle on the big ideas thing but only time will tell if it works.
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