I hear this often when I criticize Obama, "It is too early.", "Give him a chance.", "You don't even know if his policies will work yet." The next step is the stimulus via tax cuts, stimulus via government spending argument . . . then arguments about history, and we get nowhere. So let me try this at a different angle.

Even if Obama's policies create prosperity, I still think they are bad for America. If there were no rule against steroid use in the NFL, would it be beneficial for your team to win via steroid use? Short-term victory, however, long-term personal health of all players has been damaged. Even if big-government solutions do create prosperity, in the long-term personal freedoms have been eroded, and I do not think the trade-off is worth it.

Guys like Bush always tried to explain this in religious terms. Myself, never attending church in my life other than weddings, can explain it without mentioning God. Human instinct is to be free. Freedom gives us joy in life. Our desire to break the chains begins soon after birth. Through a humans entire childhood a battle with parent figures over limitations takes place. Just as we do not want our lives micro-managed by a parent, we do not want every move scripted by government either. When the POTUS, the Commander and Chief of the world’s most powerful military, the man responsible for protecting the free world . . . has time to tell citizens to cover their mouths while coughing, check the pressure in their tires, and lower our thermostats by two degrees . . . I consider that nanny state micro-management. It is a colossal insult to my intelligents for the POTUS to tell me to wash my hands before I eat.

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True, but Jimmy Carter was the last Dem to be more popular. Not necessarily a good omen.

I think someone else pointed out that while BO's approval rating has remained statistically the same, his disapproval rating has climbed. Seems the don't knows and fence sitters have moved to disapproval...not approval as you say.

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Still sore about the war of northern aggression.

True, not a good omen, but then again Carter wasnt a bad president.

Or theyve halved. Moreover the loss of dont knows to the disapproves is countered by the addition of the approved compared with previous presidents.

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Guess who?

seriously... seriously....

you think Carter was not a bad president?

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Carter was useless.


There aren't any additional approveds, certainly nothing that compares to the 20-point shift in disapprovals.

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Debatable.

Huh? I think I know what you are getting at but the change from previous presidents is irrelevant. Obama's numbers specifically for approval haven't changed much. Slightly down but not statistically significant. While his disapproval numbers have risen...sharply. That would mean that those that previously were holding off on their opinion of him, have decided they don't like what he is doing significantly more so than a few months ago and the average from the previous 10. The trend is lower approval and higher disapproval. Pretty normal.

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"If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine," he said. "It's the post office that's always having problems." Barack Obama on government run healthcare. 08/11/2009

American by birth.
Conservative by the grace of God.

Still sore about the war of northern aggression.

Humm, just quick point; intrest rates are unlikey to go up majorly for a long time; deflations the big danger right now and this is a low-inflation recession. The amount of borrowing won't raise intrest rates; if anything its currently supporting inflation (Without it I believe we'd be deflating majorly.

A lot of this seems very spectulative, the bank programn was again nescarry to prevent total economic collapse, and hopeful quantitive easing will enable more consumer landing. As for the tax code thing, that is exceptionally speculative. We'll have to wait and see with it.

Oh, and Obama can be pleased with his poll ratings in the face of such a huge crisis. He's made some big, big steps and they don't appear to have hit his ratings at all (when was the last president who had such a traumatic and dangerious first 100 days?). That said I still have some concerns; IMO he didn't look over the stimulus bill enough and I'm not seeing improvements and moves in healthcare I want. He's been effective enough, but not brilliant.

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ok, please explain how you believe interest rates will not be going up.. I really want to hear this theory....

Before you do please ask youself...

Who lends us money right now?

Who will lend us money in the future?

Who will want a better return?

Who will force interest rates up in order to continue to lend us money?

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"A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers." -Ronald Reagan

Evidently not...

Because those who think differently are retards...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

Unfortunately the polling data don't go back far enough in enough detail to give us a view of the last time America was in a controversial situation like this. It would be interesting to see how Franklin D. Roosevelt's positives and negatives shaped up during his first term. We have no numeric data, but certainly there were a majority of Americans who approved of him highly, and also a significant minority who thought he was the Devil incarnate.

But if we go back to the Crisis era before that one, we find an even more controversial president, Abraham Lincoln. There were Americans who were so upset with his election and his presidency that their states seceded from the union and provoked a civil war. And yet both Lincoln and Roosevelt won reelection handily.

I'm not saying the parallels are exact, but I am saying that Obama was not elected to be a caretaker. He was elected to take significant action, and that can't be done without provoking controversy and opposition. If he did not have significant and (up to a point) growing negatives in the polls, I would think he was doing something very wrong.

Now, if those negatives grow to the point where they become an actual majority, or outstrip the positives, then I believe we'll have a real problem.

Obviously, for a third of the country, the negatives outstrip the positives. I guess a third is too insignificant to some, though.

Oh, they'll go up. I have no doubt about that, but we won't see the historically high levels and we also won't see huge inflation. If intrests rates could get lower they would but I don't see them going up hugely in the next 2 or 3 years. Indeed, I actually expect deflation over the next couple of months.

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I agree with the majority of Americans where I live. They all think he is selling us out and making a mockery of the presidency. I have yet to talk with one that has anything good to say about him. The only place I hear any good about him is on the television and that is probably why they call it the boob tube.

Interesting. Did they all vote for him?

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Guess who?

That shouldn't be surprising since the press is so much in love with the Messiah - notice the papering over of his abject failures:

- trying to get the Europeans to increase their troops in Afghan

- trying to get the Europeans to increase their stimulus spending

- trying to get the Europeans to accept of Guantanemo prisoners

- pathetic response to the N Korean missile launch

- spitting in his face by Castro and iran after reaching out to both with significant overtures, etc.

I laughed when I read about his pathetic request that Castro stop stealing a large cut of remittances back to Cuba, and Castro said he was "entitled to the money since it is the currency of their enemy."

Hilarious, but of course, no press response, just the expected silence from the left when embarrassed or exposed.