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Old 06-29-2009
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Had you seen any threats we would have guaranteed she wouldn't have been freed. Knowing when to handle things quietly and cautiously is just part of achieving policy objectives. That's a lesson some never learn.
Keep telling yourself that when you get blown up.
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Old 06-30-2009
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Perhaps theyll release them when we elect someone with balls in 2014.
If we would just elect Ted Nugent president, we wouldn't have to worry about this stuff.
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That is certainly correct. Problem is that they can count on a mountain of resentment against Britain among large parts of the population, dating from the nineteenth centurys colonial adventures until british involvement in the overthrow of the democratic prime minister Mossadegh in 1953, followed by the installation of the Shah..........


Mohammed Mosaddeq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Don't forget that the US helped in the overthrow of Masaddeq and the installation of the Shah.

"In the middle of the Cold War, the United States played a role in the overthrow of a democratically-elected Iranian government," Mr. Obama said, alluding to the 1953 coup. Funded and egged on by the CIA, Iranian monarchists removed Mr. Mossadegh - who had nationalized a British-owned oil company. The coup reinstalled Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, an autocratic ruler who was subsequently overthrown in a popular revolution in 1979.

Until Thursday, the most senior U.S. official to express regret for the coup was Madeleine Albright in 2000 when she was secretary of State.

Has the U.S. Played a Role in Fomenting Unrest During Iran's Election? | Foreign Policy Journal

The White House - Press Office - Remarks by the President at Cairo University, 6-04-09

The US has interfered with governments all over the world. Some overtly and some covertly. The CIA has used every dirty trick in the book to shift power in countries to suit our own needs. It is not preposterous to wonder if the US, or the UK, have been working to encourage unrest in Iran.
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Keep telling yourself that when you get blown up.
Do you intend to seriously think about this subject at all?

Do you have an argument you can make for taking a different tack and why you think it would work?
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Since we do often support fake demonstrations in order to destablilize governments, how does anyone know for sure we are not guilty after all?

We did it in 1953 Iran, with Operation Ajax, we did it to Allende in 1973 Chile, and we paid fake protesters in Sandinista Nicaragua.
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Old 07-05-2009
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Since we do often support fake demonstrations in order to destablilize governments, how does anyone know for sure we are not guilty after all?

We did it in 1953 Iran, with Operation Ajax, we did it to Allende in 1973 Chile, and we paid fake protesters in Sandinista Nicaragua.
Good post. Here is an interesting article from the Market Oracle.........

Now ten months later, US “black ops” is at it again, pumping out disinformation about the “stolen” Iranian election. The US media is again serving the government’s disinformation campaign. This despite the fact that on May 23, 2007, Brian Ross and Richard Esposito reported on ABC News: “The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert “black” operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell ABC News.”

On May 27, 2007, the London Telegraph independently reported: “Mr. Bush has signed an official document endorsing CIA plans for a propaganda and disinformation campaign intended to destabilize, and eventually topple, the theocratic rule of the mullahs.”

A few days previously, the Telegraph reported on May 16, 2007, that Bush administration neocon warmonger John Bolton told the Telegraph that a US military attack on Iran would “be a ‘last option’ after economic sanctions and attempts to foment a popular revolution had failed.”

On June 29, 2008, Seymour Hersh reported in the New Yorker: “Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country’s religious leadership.”

The Iranian election protests, essentially by the westernized youth of Tehran who wish to be free of Islamic moral codes, have the hallmarks of orchestration. The protesters are color-coded with green wristbands. Their protest signs are in English and are obviously directed at the western media. Their chants are propagandistic and bear no relation to facts known by every Iranian.

And again, the US media and various experts, whose ambitions depend on government-related careers, are force-feeding the American public the disinformation designed to further isolate and weaken, if not overthrow, the Iranian government.

Until 1978 the US ruled Iran through the Shah. The US intends to again rule Iran through puppets. The only two remaining independent governments in the region are Iran and Syria. If the US doesn’t first bankrupt itself, both countries will fall to US black ops destabilization.

The limitless gullibility of the American people guarantees carte blanche to the US government’s schemes. Americans seemingly cannot put two and two together. They have already forgotten the lies about weapons of mass destruction that have resulted in the destruction of Iraq. They have forgotten Secretary of State Colin Powell’s publicly expressed remorse at the lies he told the UN. Americans blithely accept the conflation of Talliban with al Qaeda and terrorists and the new war that the Obama regime has started in Pakistan, a war that has already produced 2 million refugees.

It can fairly be said that there is not much difference between the American public and the fictional one under Big Brother in George Orwell’s 1984. The few independent voices that do exist are simply drowned out by the constant flow of disinformation.


In October 1987 John Stockwell, a former CIA covet operative who ran the CIA’s covert war in Angola, gave a lecture in which he said he abandoned his career when he realized that CIA covert operations resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people and were totally unconnected to any US national security interests. “I concluded that I just couldn’t see the point.”


PSYOPS and the Waning Power of Truth :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free Website

CIA Operative John Stockwell tells the truth, but the sheeple are no longer able to recognize the truth when they see it. The pathetic sheep are too lazy, too apathetic and too brainwashed to even know what the truth is anymore.

Well here is the truth, for the dozen or so people here who are not pathetic, brainwashed morons.......

CIA John Stockwell Tells Truth

Americas Third World War: How 6 million People Were killed in CIA secret wars against third world countries
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