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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Yes, and almost never is a test a good means of determining firefighthing skills, but usually that is the best we can do.
But when you have tutors, expensive additional material, etc., that invalidates the testing even more.
It makes it into a joke.
There is no way that reading purchased books and hiring tutors improved the applicant's firefighting skills.
If the books were really useful, they would have already been at the fire stations, and available to those who really needed them.
They would not be just to pass exams.
You know, I could suggest that you look up how much math is involved in anything with that much pressurized gas and water, but I'm guessing you would plead poverty and say "the man" was holding you back.

Will beats socio-economic every time.
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Unfortunately, we're talking about the Oklahoma State University. Try to keep up.It says so on the linked page, I believe.
Gee, I can't imagine how, in addition to being trained for the uniformed fire services (mentioned on the page), knowledge of engineering would help a firefighter. I mean, aint firefighting just a matter of hooking up a hose to a pipe and watering down fires? Shit, it's not like fires ever occur on anything other than tiny shacks and flat terrain.

It does not say they learn anything about trucks.
This course was about internal fire preventions systems.
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Which is what we've been telling you all along.

Right - you don't know anything - you've assumed a tremendous amount, and you've been utterly wrong.

This is just one of your many assumptions, and trust me, the rest are just as wrong.


You have the burden of proof, and you have not proven much.
The test could still be bogus.
All we know about it indicated that it was.
And we don't know that these tutor did teach any firefighting information.
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Uh, so experience and knowledge are totally different? If you "know" about clouds and rain from experience, you don't actually have any "know"ledge of it?Well, then it's settled. The firefighters who bought the books were simply getting more experience (or at least it's possible). You said earlier:

"it was supposed to be a test of experience instead of knowledge"
And now you are saying that "you can learn experience from books." In other words, those who got the expensive books were probably learning experience from them, making them more experienced firefighters, just like you wanted.Actually, that's a reason why you wouldn't be able to prove your point, not why you don't have to. And make no mistake. You still have to prove your claims if you want them to be taken seriously.Here is your original claim:
"The test was blatantly unfair"
It was based on a number of baseless claims, making itself a baseless claim, too.
I don't see any posted by you. If you want anyone to take you seriously, it's recommended that you back up your claims.
Wrong.

The books could have been about operating procedures used in different areas that used different equipment.
We have no idea if the experience would be at all useful in New Haven.
The only indication we have, says that it was inappropriate for New Haven.
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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You know, I could suggest that you look up how much math is involved in anything with that much pressurized gas and water, but I'm guessing you would plead poverty and say "the man" was holding you back.

Will beats socio-economic every time.
There is no pressurized gas unless you are talking about CO2 fire extinguishers.
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Old 07-03-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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I don't know any more then those who wrote the tests.
It's a fair bet, though, that you know a fuck of a lot less.

If one thing in this thread is clear, it's that you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about. You've chosen not only to remain ignorant about it, but you continue to post as if you know a single fucking thing about the topic.

You don't.

That's clear...
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There is no pressurized gas unless you are talking about CO2 fire extinguishers.
CO2 is the only pressurized gas used in fighting fires?
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Old 07-03-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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It does not say they learn anything about trucks.
What do you want them to do? List all materials discussed in the course, as well as the actual discussion? It's rather clear when describing what they teach.
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This course was about internal fire preventions systems.
No, it pretty clearly mentions uniformed fire service members.
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Wrong.

The books could have been about operating procedures used in different areas that used different equipment.
Oh yeah, like those regions where gravity works upside down and gasoline puts out fires. It could have been about breeding donkeys for all we know.

However, in order to prove your statement that "The test was blatantly unfair" with the claim "The books could have been about operating procedures used in different areas that used different equipment," you'd actually have to prove that the books WERE about operating procedures of different areas that had totally different operating procedures from the area where the test took place.
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We have no idea if the experience would be at all useful in New Haven.
The only indication we have, says that it was inappropriate for New Haven.
That's right, you have no fucking idea if it would or would not be useful in New Haven, but you went ahead and concluded that "The test was blatantly unfair," anyway. Thank you for finally admitting that your claim was unsubstantiated bullshit that was based on some of the most horrendously contorted thinking to ever disgrace this forum.
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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You have the burden of proof, and you have not proven much.
You said "The test was blatantly unfair." So the burden is on you to prove that.
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The test could still be bogus.
I love this logic (or rather, this void of logic)! The test COULD still be bogus, so therefore, it IS blatantly bogus! The guy talking about the truck question COULD have been Elvis's clone, so therefore he IS Elvis's clone! Your argument COULD be full of shit, so therefore it IS full of shit!

Well, okay, that last one has already been proven by other means.
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All we know about it indicated that it was.
And we don't know that these tutor did teach any firefighting information.
Totally! I mean, they could have just had massive orgies every time they met.
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Old 07-03-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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It does not say they learn anything about trucks.
This course was about internal fire preventions systems.
Here's a tidbit you apparently don't know - when the fire department arrives to fight a fire in a multi-story building, they hook a pumper into the building's "internal fire prevention systems".

So perhaps, just maybe, knowing about those things would be useful?

Dude, just face it - you're completely wrong. Man up, admit it, and move on.

You're just floundering around on this, way out of your depth.

Matt
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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You have the burden of proof, and you have not proven much.
The test could still be bogus.
All we know about it indicated that it was.
And we don't know that these tutor did teach any firefighting information.
You are the one braying about how the test is bogus, not me.

The burden of proof is on you - I've simply been refuting your uninformed statements.

As far as the tutors, it's a pointless and stupid argument. Was there a regulation forbidding tutors? If not, where's the issue?

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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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There is no pressurized gas unless you are talking about CO2 fire extinguishers.
Wrong again.

Never heard of Halon? It's in those "internal building systems" you know nothing about. It's also a bit important, as it can kill you if you get caught in it without SCBA.

Never heard of CAFS?

No surprise there, because you don't know what you are talking about.

Matt
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Wrong.

The books could have been about operating procedures used in different areas that used different equipment.
You keep harping on the specific type of equipment. This is once again a giant beacon of your ignorance.

Have you ever heard of mutual aid? Do you think trucks ever get replaced?

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We have no idea if the experience would be at all useful in New Haven.
Right - you have no idea - but you're still screeching about it as if you had a clue.

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The only indication we have, says that it was inappropriate for New Haven.
No, that's just a symptom of your inability to think beyond a single article.
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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I thought long and hard about that before posting the first time.
Did you?

Really?

Here; get ready to take a nice big bite:



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Firefighting is a tech trade, and is not the kind of thing universities teach. They teach theory instead, about basic disciplines, like physics, math, literature, etc..
Here's a list of universities, colleges, and technical schools with firefighting curriculum. This list has 367 of them:

Firefighting

Maybe you need to think long and hard about thinking long and hard...
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Old 07-03-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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CO2 is the only pressurized gas used in fighting fires?
There are specialized halogen systems, etc., but not normally used at firehouses like in New Haven.
These are usually built in systems, or used at special places, like airport, ships, etc.
Why would a potential New Haven fire captain need to know the physics of pressurized gases?
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