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Old 07-03-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Except I did not make any claims.
Oh yes you did.

"The test was blatantly unfair"
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I am simply taking the side of the city, some firefighters, and the competing company, that all agreed there were problems with the test.
You still made a claim. See above.
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That is all we have to go on, are these complaints.
Does not change the fact that you made a claim. If there is not enough evidence to substantiate that claim, that is your problem, not mine.
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You are trying to say they are all wrong, and that the test was perfect.
Could you please point out where I said that?
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But there is nothing at all to indicate that.
So you have the burden of proof.
You are taking the plaintiff side.

And I am taking the city side because we all know how bad these sorts of standardized tests usually are.
It is not at all unreasonable to assume the test was bad.
Well, there you go, you're assuming and have no hard evidence.

I do find it hilarious that you're accusing me of saying something I didn't say, while denying that you said something you did say.
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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So universities are getting more specialized and desperate for funds, while fire fighting has become more specialized and upscale as well.
It still does not alter the fact there was so much testimony that the test was wrong and poorly written.

Nice image though. Thanks. I have an avian interest.
As always, you can't admit you're wrong.

You said that there were no universities where firefighting was taught. You were quite adamant about it, in fact. Alas, though, it took no time at all to prove to everyone here that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The funny part is how you assured us that you "thought long and hard" about the question. Perhaps you should leave "thinking" to others, as you don't appear to be very adept at it.

The only person here who doesn't realize that you're clueless is you. It's sad, really, but in a funny kinda' way...
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There are specialized halogen systems, etc., but not normally used at firehouses like in New Haven. These are usually built in systems, or used at special places, like airport, ships, etc.
Oh, please, do tell us more about these "halogen" firefighting systems. Maybe I'll read your response on my laptop while I'm in my car turning on my HEADLIGHTS...



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Why would a potential New Haven fire captain need to know the physics of pressurized gases?
Quite honestly, I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't.

Seriously, Maat, do you just make this shit up as you go along? Are you completely devoid of any knowledge on the topic, so you opt to just blurt out the first foolish thing that pops into your head?
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Yes, I have been involved with halogen system in race cars and restaurants, and foam system at airports.
Right.

What a complete load of steamy horseshit...

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But neither would have to be appropriate for a New Haven captain's test, because they may not use them there, and they have nothing to do with whether or not the test was bad.
"Now boarding, the Credibility Train".

Sorry, Maat, looks like you missed that one.

New Haven has an airport. If it has an airport (even a small, regional one like New Haven), they'll have foam...
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It is not at all unreasonable to assume the test was bad.
Conversely, it would be unreasonable to assume that you have the first fucking clue of what you're talking about...
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There is no way that the fire department could know about all the different systems used in all the different buildings.
LOLOL!!!

A fire department most certainly does know of the different systems used. When a building is built, it has to be built "to code". That includes a "fire code" which the "fire department" ensures it meets...

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But in New Haven, they probably would never run into much more than a simple standpipe, since there are not a lot of skyscrapers or petroleum refineries there.
What type of water delivery system would be used at a refinery?

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And when the fire department has responded to alarms in commercial buildings I was involved with, they knew nothing at all about the systems.
Often times I had to tell them what to do, in order to shut off the alarm and repressurize the system.
Oh, man, this shit is too fucking funny.

Thanks for the Independence Day laugh, Maat!
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I have an avian interest.
That's a good thing because, clearly, you don't know the first fucking thing about firefighting...
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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No one would or could normally hire a tutor in order to take a promotions test.
That would totally skew the results.
Only a wealthy person would or could do that.
And anyone hiring a tutor would not be any better qualified for the job then they were before they hired the tutor.
In fact, if they have to hire a turtor, they probably could not actually do the real job, where there are no tutors.
I think you need to be medicated. You are making such wildly baseless presumptions that it is clear you are out of your mind.

Only the "wealthy" can afford tutors? What are you basing that stupid statement on?

According to your reasoning, someone who gets 30% on a test having not studied with a tutor is MORE qualified than someone who gets 90% having gotten help studying from a tutor? That is just stupid. If you honestly believe that, then you are clearly incapable of any truly rational discussion.

Everyone knows what really happened here. The people who did well are by and large the people that actually made an effort to prepare for the exam.

You have made intellecutally incoherent arguments in defense of what is just a stupid (whether willfully ignorant or refelective of your lack of intellectual capacity) position.
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Oh yes you did.

"The test was blatantly unfair"You still made a claim. See above.Does not change the fact that you made a claim. If there is not enough evidence to substantiate that claim, that is your problem, not mine.Could you please point out where I said that?
Well, there you go, you're assuming and have no hard evidence.

I do find it hilarious that you're accusing me of saying something I didn't say, while denying that you said something you did say.

Nonsense.
It was blatantly unfair for the test to be derived from purchased material that they were told was not necessary.
The test should only have been about what the fire stations actually did, which was what the free material contained.

But I never said the test was necessarily racist.
We have no information on that.
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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As always, you can't admit you're wrong.

You said that there were no universities where firefighting was taught. You were quite adamant about it, in fact. Alas, though, it took no time at all to prove to everyone here that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The funny part is how you assured us that you "thought long and hard" about the question. Perhaps you should leave "thinking" to others, as you don't appear to be very adept at it.

The only person here who doesn't realize that you're clueless is you. It's sad, really, but in a funny kinda' way...

Whether or not one could hire tutors from universities is not relavant however.
The point is that the test should have been made fair by being based on information freely available to all of them, since they were all told that was the case.
If you want to say promotions would be based on what you can learn at particular classes ahead of time, then that is fine.
But you can't lie to the applicants and rig the tests.
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Nonsense.
It was blatantly unfair for the test to be derived from purchased material that they were told was not necessary.
Who told them that? Link?
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The test should only have been about what the fire stations actually did, which was what the free material contained.
The fire station put out fires and rescued people. Knowledge of engineering and how pressure and fires work is quite relevant to that.
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But I never said the test was necessarily racist.
We have no information on that.
You said enough unsubstantiated bullshit even despite that.
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Oh, please, do tell us more about these "halogen" firefighting systems. Maybe I'll read your response on my laptop while I'm in my car turning on my HEADLIGHTS...

Quite honestly, I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't.

Seriously, Maat, do you just make this shit up as you go along? Are you completely devoid of any knowledge on the topic, so you opt to just blurt out the first foolish thing that pops into your head?
What are you talking about?

Halogen extinguishers and systems have been around for about 50 years, but require no knowledge of the physics of pressurized gases to use.

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Halon 1211 came over to the US from Europe in the 1970s, where it had been used since the late 40s or early 50s. Halon 1301 had been developed by DuPont and the US Army in 1954. Both work by inhibiting the chain reaction of the fire, and in the case of Halon 1211, cooling class A fuels as well. Halon is still in use today, but is falling out of favor for many uses due to its environmental impact. Europe and Australia have severely restricted its use, but it is still widely available in North America, the Middle East, and Asia.
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Right.

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New Haven has an airport. If it has an airport (even a small, regional one like New Haven), they'll have foam...

Sure they have an airport, but they also have their own foaming equipment and personnel, so the New Haven fire fighters would never get to use it.
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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LOLOL!!!

A fire department most certainly does know of the different systems used. When a building is built, it has to be built "to code". That includes a "fire code" which the "fire department" ensures it meets...

What type of water delivery system would be used at a refinery?

...

No, fire system vary way too much, and are limited or required by building codes, but not specifically designed by them.
You can have countless variations, that firefighters may be totally unfamiliar with.
In practice, that has always been the case in my experience.
The firefighters knew nothing about even the simplest building fire system.

And they certainly would not know about the systems used at specialized dangerous locations like refineries.
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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I think you need to be medicated. You are making such wildly baseless presumptions that it is clear you are out of your mind.

Only the "wealthy" can afford tutors? What are you basing that stupid statement on?

According to your reasoning, someone who gets 30% on a test having not studied with a tutor is MORE qualified than someone who gets 90% having gotten help studying from a tutor? That is just stupid. If you honestly believe that, then you are clearly incapable of any truly rational discussion.

Everyone knows what really happened here. The people who did well are by and large the people that actually made an effort to prepare for the exam.

You have made intellecutally incoherent arguments in defense of what is just a stupid (whether willfully ignorant or refelective of your lack of intellectual capacity) position.

It is obvious you don't know anything about standardized tests.
Yes, a person properly coached but ignorant of the subject, can easily get a much higher score than a person who knows the subject but has not been coached.

As I have pointed out serveral times, I have been taught how to pass all standardized tests, and can do well on all of them, including ones where I don't know the subject.
I have done this many, many times, just for fun.
I have all sorts of credentials and certifications that I will never use.
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