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Maat222 · #**256** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Slon

Who says it wasn't?
Who says it did, and who says it was contradictory?

Also:

"the test to be derived from purchased material that they were told was not necessary"

Who says it was derived from purchased material which they were told was not necessary?

That is the whole point of the argument.
The test was based on a supplementary reading list, which was NOT available at the station.
And of course the problem was that it then was in conflict with what they actually did at the stations.
Just read all the articles.

MattLarson · #**257** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

So, in what we'll loosely call your thinking, you believe that a unit officer doesn't need to know anything but what is handed to them in the firehouse?

Again, please detail your experience in the fire service.

Matt

Maat222 · #**258** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

The "contradictory" information was nothing of the kind. The example you gave was that of a firefighter who did not know the answer to a question about the best way to park a firetruck because the trucks they happened to use it did not make a difference. But not all firehouses used those trucks, and with regard to equipment where it DOES make a difference, there is a generally proper way to park the truck. Given that parking it a certain way (the way identified in the correct answer to the test) is essential in some instances, and makes no difference in others, I want firefighters who know that it makes absolute sense to always park it in the way that some trucks require to be parked because that way you will never run the risk of parking any truck in a manner that DOES make a difference.

Suppose the firefighter from the company with the trucks that can be parked in any direction without it making a difference has to be redeployed to another company where it DOES make a difference which direction the truck gets parked. Who would you rather have parking that truck, someone who thinks it doesn't matter, or someone who knows it MAY matter, and knows the direction to park trucks in the event that it could matter? DUH

The things you have asserted throughout this thread have ranged from unsubstantiated, to demonstrably stupid and foolish. At best you have no clue what you are talking about, at worst you are lying Bottom line, and after this I am through with you because I suffer fools lightly, you may think it is UNFAIR that people who actually bothered to study did better on the exam than those who did not, but that does not make it unconstitutional.

Foolish post.
When there are trucks where it does make a difference, it still then depends on the type of truck, which the test did not say.
So the point is the test was wrong.
The test said there was only one correct way, and that is dangerous.

Steve · #**259** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Foolish post.

And if there was ever an expert in "foolish posts", it would be you.

Time for you to man up, Maat, and address some of the questions posed to you.

Or you can continue to cower away from them...

Maat222 · #**260** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Oh, man, this just too funny.

Yes, halon systems have been around a long time. My experience with them is on board Navy ships.

Of course, a quick perusal of your recent posts reveals that you were not talking about halon systems. You were talking about halogen systems. I'm not aware of any halogen firefighting systems.

And, please, don't make yourself look even more foolish by claming it was a "typo" or anything like that. You repeatedly said "halogen". Even when you made a pathetic attempt to make your point, you said "halogen", and then provided a piece containing "halon".

Damn, just admit you were wrong, that you don't know what you're talking about, and that you're woefully unqualified to discuss the topic, and we can move on. Until you're able to be a man and do that, you're only going to be ridiculed.

Because you've earned that...

Halon is one of many different types of halogen systems.
Halon is not popular anymore, because of environmental concerns, so they have reformulated other halogen mixtures to replace it.

Maat222 · #**261** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Steve

The New Haven Airport doesn't have its' own fire department...

I bet they do.
Every dock, harbor, airport, refinery, etc., always has their own firefighting equipment and staff.
It is probably required by law or something, because I always see it.

Maat222 · #**262** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Steve

Dismissing the "halogen" for a second, what race cars have installed halon systems in them?

Well stock cars for one, according to this seller.

Fire Suppression Systems - Vital Racing Safety Equipment - Stock Car Racing Magazine

EricOKC · #**263** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Wrong.
You don't know anything about the subject.

I think you have everyone else confused with yourself.

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Originally Posted by Maat222

First of all, the tests were not based on the material at the stations, so did not use proper procedures in their questions.

Upon what facts do you base that statement? Actual FACTS mind you, not a claim by one of the people who did not do so well on the test.

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Second is that it is well known it easy to double the score of many test takers.

Yes it is easy to do this - as long as the test takers study.

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Here are some of the tips:
What you do first is skim all the easy questions, so that you don't miss them by running out of time.

Define "easy". Additionally, does this not require some level of knowledge of the topic to understand what is and is not "easy"?

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Then you do back and eliminate the answers you are sure are wrong.

Again, if you do not have knowledge of the topic, how could you be sure you are wrong? Additionally, if you know they are wrong, why not answer them right in the first place?

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Then you flip a coin on the two remaining possibilities that you don't know about.

What "two remaining possibilities"?

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On almost all tests, I can get over 80% right without any special knowledge.

Really? The tips you offered require special knowledge.

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But what tests I have passed is personal, and you should not ask that.

In other words, you don't want to answer it because you're realizing we will call you out on your bullshit and you don't have a single example to offer.

Maat222 · #**264** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Steve

True, fire departments don't design fire fighting systems.

But they have to approve them.

Ergo, they would know about the different systems. Also, a variation does not make for a completely different system...

And you've proven your "experience" equates to absolutelsquat...

I don't believe that for a second...

So, enlighten us. If a simple standpipe water delivery system isn't used at a place like a refinery, what water delivery system is used in a refinery?

Those that inspect and approve building fire systems, do not work out of a fire station. Nor would that be on a captain's qualifying test.

And why would you want to redirect this thread to what I know about firefighting systems? That has nothing at all to do with the thread.
But the problem of refineries is that they contain flammables that float on water, so water can help spread the flames.

EricOKC · #**265** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

I bet they do.

And you'd be wrong - again.

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Every dock, harbor, airport, refinery, etc., always has their own firefighting equipment and staff.

That is beyond absurd. You're absolutely wrong Maat.

I live in Houston Maat. The Houston area has one of the largest concentration of refineries in the world. It is also home to the 2nd or 3rd (i forget which) largest PORT in the world.

Not all of them have their own firefighting equipment and staff - not even all of the large ones.

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Originally Posted by Maat222

It is probably required by law or something, because I always see it.

Ah yes - so in your vast experience of probably one or two major international airports you have assumed everything must be that way. Got it.

You win man - your stupidity has overwhelmed reality and we all now bow to your omniscience.

MattLarson · #**266** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Those that inspect and approve building fire systems, do not work out of a fire station. Nor would that be on a captain's qualifying test.

Wrong again. Line officers at my station did dozens of inspections a month.

Again - what experience do you have that provides the basis for all your claims?

Matt

Maat222 · #**267** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

I am amazed than an "expert" such as yourself doesn't know that foam is used many places apart from airports.

In fact, AFFF systems are very common on fire engines, and have nothing to do with airports.

That aside, we were talking about CAFS. Surely your vast experiences has included exposure to CAFS?

Matt

My experience has nothing to do with this thread.
Nor does AFFF or CAFS, if that particular fire station does not use it.

Maat222 · #**268** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Slon

While information about certain gases the pressures at which they become dangerously volatile would probably not be used very often, even if it will be used 1% of the time, it is still preferable to have someone who knows about them vs someone who does not, all other things being equal.

Then it should have been in the material at the station.

EricOKC · #**269** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Those that inspect and approve building fire systems, do not work out of a fire station. Nor would that be on a captain's qualifying test.

Yes they do and yes it would. The fire captain, as a matter of fact, is who decides if a building is or is not up to code. That is part of his job you idiot.

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Originally Posted by Maat222

And why would you want to redirect this thread to what I know about firefighting systems?

Probably because you are making apparently authoritative statements which disagree with information known to those with experience in the field.

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That has nothing at all to do with the thread.

Well it DIDN'T have anything to do with it until you started making the statements you did.

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Originally Posted by Maat222

But the problem of refineries is that they contain flammables that float on water, so water can help spread the flames.

Partially true. Water is used in refineries for a variety of fires and firefighting techniques.

Maat222 · #**270** (**permalink**) 07-05-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

So what exactly is your firefighting experience, Maat222?

So are you trying to imply that only a carpenter can tell when a table wobbles and is not level?

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