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MattLarson · #**331** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Nonsense.
Are you claiming that the fire inspector starts up the generater, pumps, alarms, etc., on his own?
That is foolish.
If you don't do that right, you could burn out the whole system, and start a fire.

Yes.

What part of I have personally done this as a fire officer confuses you?

These inspections include opening a standpipe drain, running the pump, testing fire alarm sensors and valve tamper sensors, among other things.

Again, since you're clearly not paying attention, I have personally done these things during these inspections. Personally. Do you understand?

Matt

Maat222 · #**332** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

Yes way - and by the way - you said BASIC fire systems. Please do not try to change your tune now to included every aspect of every system. Also, the issue was with testing, not tampering.

Again you are wrong.

Maat, there are a multitude of tests which are given on specific technical knowledge in virtually every field. The people who do well are those who know their shit. Those who do not, do not. It is that simple. Yes, there are some techniques which can enable those who DO know the topic to perform better, but if they do not know it, they're pretty well fucked. Your repeated assertions notwithstanding.

To put it succinctly, your arguments have been utterly eviscerated by people who actually DO know the case at hand as well as those with specific knowledge of firefighting, yet you insist upon arguing that YOU are correct while providing nothing to support your assertions.

That is the behavior of a child Maat.

You are wrong.
Here is what I said exactly:

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As I already said, there are inspections for things like blocked fire exists, combustibles near ignition sources, etc., but NOT of the functioning of the basic fire systems.
There is no way anyone would ever let a fire inspector fool around with their air compressor, smoke sensors, alarms, valves, etc.
It is very easy to damage a system like that, and only the installation company is certified or allowed to test it.

So there can be no question I was referring to simple building inspection, but inspection of a more high tech fire system, such as the "air compressor, smoke sensors, alarms, valves, etc."

I changed nothing.
You did.

Maat222 · #**333** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Yes.

What part of I have personally done this as a fire officer confuses you?

These inspections include opening a standpipe drain, running the pump, testing fire alarm sensors and valve tamper sensors, among other things.

Again, since you're clearly not paying attention, I have personally done these things during these inspections. Personally. Do you understand?

Matt

If you have done these inspections, then you would know what air pressure in the sprinkler system should be, how to determine the phone number order of the auto dialier, what has to happen before turning on the back up generator, how do you test a smoke detector, and how do you clear a smoke detecotr once you have tested it, etc.?

Tell me some of these simple basics, and only then will I be impressed at all.

MattLarson · #**334** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

What there is no question of here is that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Again, since you seem to be unable to understand, I have personally done these inspections as a fire officer.

I was there, I know what was done. You're fucking wrong. Period. End of fucking list.

Matt

Steve · #**335** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Those more familiar with the actual station procedures would be the better choice.

I know a lot of guys who were volunteer firemen on Long Island, and went on to paying gigs with the NYFD. Were these people poor candidates because they were moving to stations which dealt with far different firefighting scenarios in the city than they did when they were out in suburbia?

MattLarson · #**336** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

If you have done these inspections, then you would know what air pressure in the sprinkler system should be, how to determine the phone number order of the auto dialier, what has to happen before turning on the back up generator, etc.?

Tell me some of these simple basics, and only then will I be impressed at all.

There is only air pressure in a dry pipe system. So, for the vast majority of sprinklers, the "air pressure" is zero.

As far as you being impressed, I couldn't give a shit less.

Matt

Steve · #**337** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

If you have done these inspections, then you would know what air pressure in the sprinkler system should be, how to determine the phone number order of the auto dialier, what has to happen before turning on the back up generator, how do you test a smoke detector, and how do you clear a smoke detecotr once you have tested it, etc.?

Tell me some of these simple basics, and only then will I be impressed at all.

You've got a lot of fucking nerve asking anyone to provide anything to you, since you've made a fucking career out of running away with your tail tucked between your legs when the same is asked of you.

You've also proven that the "simple basics" are those things which, time and time again, have eluded you...

Maat222 · #**338** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Yes.

What part of I have personally done this as a fire officer confuses you?

These inspections include opening a standpipe drain, running the pump, testing fire alarm sensors and valve tamper sensors, among other things.

Again, since you're clearly not paying attention, I have personally done these things during these inspections. Personally. Do you understand?

Matt

But personally I have never seen a firefighting standpipe with a drain, so I suspect you are referring to a drain standpipe, which is completely different.

So why don't you tell me the difference between a wet and a dry standpipe?

MattLarson · #**339** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

Since you added to your post after I replied, testing a detector depends in what type it is.

Smoke detectors come in several varieties. Generally, one uses a test solution from a can, but this can vary depending on the installation.

Flame detectors are a completely different animal.

Maat222 · #**340** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by Steve

I know a lot of guys who were volunteer firemen on Long Island, and went on to paying gigs with the NYFD. Were these people poor candidates because they were moving to stations which dealt with far different firefighting scenarios in the city than they did when they were out in suburbia?

Probably, yes.
I would not consider them good captain candidates until after they became more familiar.

Steve · #**341** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

But personally I have never seen a firefighting standpipe with a drain, so I suspect you are referring to a drain standpipe, which is completely different.

So why don't you tell me the difference between a wet and a dry standpipe?

Why should he?

You haven't been all too forthcoming about your experience (despite referring to it often); opting, instead, to throw out little tidbits of information you found on Google.

You're a real piece of work.

You're not a very knowledgable piece of work, but you're a piece of work nonetheless...

MattLarson · #**342** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

But personally I have never seen a firefighting standpipe with a drain, so I suspect you are referring to a drain standpipe, which is completely different.

So why don't you tell me the difference between a wet and a dry standpipe?

If you've never seen a drain, you've probay never seen a standpipe, or didn't know what you were looking at.

A dry pipe is pressurized with air, and installed in areas where freezing temps may be encountered at the pipe, like garages.

Wet pipe systems ate the more common, and are found both indoors and in garages where freezing temps are not a factor.

Why don't you tell me what your firefighting experience is?
Matt

Steve · #**343** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Probably, yes.
I would not consider them good captain candidates until after they became more familiar.

Well, I'm gonna' go out on a limb and say that whatever you would "consider" them is of no consequence...

Steve · #**344** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Why don't you tell me what your firefighting experience is?

Two reasons:

1) He has none.
2) He's afraid he can't come up with something convincing off the top of his head

Maat222 · #**345** (**permalink**) 07-06-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

There is only air pressure in a dry pipe system. So, for the vast majority of sprinklers, the "air pressure" is zero.

As far as you being impressed, I couldn't give a shit less.

Matt

Sorry, but wrong.

In a wet sprinkler system, the water is released when the themo valve at the sprinkler opens.
And the system has to be kept to a higher pressure than normal water pressure, with an air compressor, in order so that the drop in pressure can activate the alarm.
The value you have to run the compressor to varies, but you normally tune the system to be about 20 lbs above normal water pressure.

The air pressure is very important, because that is what keeps the alarm off.

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