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But personally I have never seen a firefighting standpipe with a drain, so I suspect you are referring to a drain standpipe, which is completely different.

So why don't you tell me the difference between a wet and a dry standpipe?
I'm gonna' guess that your "experience" with "firefighting" extends as far as the curb you were sitting on during the last Memorial Day Parade as the shiny fire trucks drove by...
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Sorry, but wrong.

In a wet sprinkler system, the water is released when the themo valve at the sprinkler opens.
And the system has to be kept to a higher pressure than normal water pressure, with an air compressor, in order so that the drop in pressure can activate the alarm.
The value you have to run the compressor to varies, but you normally tune the system to be about 20 lbs above normal water pressure.

The air pressure is very important, because that is what keeps the alarm off.
Hmmmmm.

Contradiction.

Conflict.

Matt says one thing.

Matt is an esteemed member of USPOL.

Maat says something different.

Maat has proven he's afraid of direct questions, and he whines a lot when asked to explain his "experience".

Hmmm... Who to believe?
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Sorry, but wrong.

In a wet sprinkler system, the water is released when the themo valve at the sprinkler opens.
And the system has to be kept to a higher pressure than normal water pressure, with an air compressor, in order so that the drop in pressure can activate the alarm.
The value you have to run the compressor to varies, but you normally tune the system to be about 20 lbs above normal water pressure.

The air pressure is very important, because that is what keeps the alarm off.
Sorry, no. You're describing a dry pipe system.

Yet again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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Since you added to your post after I replied, testing a detector depends in what type it is.

Smoke detectors come in several varieties. Generally, one uses a test solution from a can, but this can vary depending on the installation.

Flame detectors are a completely different animal.

Yes, they do use fake smoke in an aerosol can, in order to test smoke detectors. And yes, flame detectors pick up on invisible ions so need a different can.

But the part you did not answer is the fact smoke in a can leaves dust on the sensor, that has to be cleared with a shot of compressed gas.
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

Educate yourself, so you don't say anything (else) embarassing to yourself.

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Yes, they do use fake smoke in an aerosol can, in order to test smoke detectors. And yes, flame detectors pick up on invisible ions so need a different can.

But the part you did not answer is the fact smoke in a can leaves dust on the sensor, that has to be cleared with a shot of compressed gas.
No shit, Sherlock. Do you think I, who has done these tests, am unaware of this?

Again, since I've answered your questions, can you answer mine? What is your fire service experience? I answered your question, the honest thing to do would be to answer mine.

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If you've never seen a drain, you've probay never seen a standpipe, or didn't know what you were looking at.

A dry pipe is pressurized with air, and installed in areas where freezing temps may be encountered at the pipe, like garages.

Wet pipe systems ate the more common, and are found both indoors and in garages where freezing temps are not a factor.

Why don't you tell me what your firefighting experience is?
Matt

Firefighting standpipes are for getting water up the side of a building, so do not need a drain, and I have never seen one with a drain yet.
They do not need drains.

The difference between a wet pipe and a dry pipe is whether or not it is permanently hooked directly to a water system or not.
A dry pipe is no, and has to be hooked up to the fire truck.
With a wet pipe, all you have to do is turn it on.

Systems that are already filled with water, are not called standpipes, but sprinkler systems.
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Educate yourself, so you don't say anything (else) embarassing to yourself.

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This is almost too funny.

Maat's gone from using this:



To using this:

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I answered your question, the honest thing to do would be to answer mine.
Now, Matt, that's where you trip him up...
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Firefighting standpipes are for getting water up the side of a building, so do not need a drain, and I have never seen one with a drain yet.
They do not need drains.

The difference between a wet pipe and a dry pipe is whether or not it is permanently hooked directly to a water system or not.
A dry pipe is no, and has to be hooked up to the fire truck.
With a wet pipe, all you have to do is turn it on.

Systems that are already filled with water, are not called standpipes, but sprinkler systems.
Bullshit.

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I'm done, Maat222.

I've posted links that refute your claims.

I've answered your questions.

You've chickened out and refused to answer mine.

Until you man up and extend the courtesy of answering questions (as you expect me to answer yours), conversing with you is a waste of time.

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Sorry, no. You're describing a dry pipe system.

Yet again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Wrong.
Sprinkler systems are usually pressurize with water, because you want them to spray locally whenever the thermo release at the sprinkler head gets too hot.
You don't want to rely on remote senors, valves or pumps.
And you don't want the water to come out anywhere except where is it hot.

But it is a sprinkler system filled with water that requires an air compressor, so that you can tell when the system has opened up somewhere, due to heat.

A dry pipe system would need electronic sensors that activated valves or pumps, and that is much less reliable and limited, because you is relies on electical connections and you get water out all the jets once turned on.
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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because you is relies on electical connections
I didn't realize we were discussing firefighting systems in the ghetto.

Matt's right, though, you've chickened out more than once.

Respond to his query regarding your experience, or you're just going to be laughed at.

I mean laughed at more...
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Sorry, no. You're describing a dry pipe system.

Yet again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Actually I just looked this up, and I was wrong.
I was assuming there were just the wet types of sprinklers with thermo valves and water always ready to do, and the types that have open sprinklers with no water.
But it turns out the open sprinkler system is called a deluge system, and not dry.
The one with the air compressor is called a dry system, even though it is still partially wet and still has thermo valve sprinkler heads.

You did have this one right.
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Re: Court rules for white firefighters over promotions

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Actually I just looked this up, and I was wrong.
I was assuming there were just the wet types of sprinklers with thermo valves and water always ready to do, and the types that have open sprinklers with no water.
But it turns out the open sprinkler system is called a deluge system, and not dry.
The one with the air compressor is called a dry system, even though it is still partially wet and still has thermo valve sprinkler heads.

You did have this one right.
I'd be willing to bet that, if you were brave enough to look up everything else Matt has said, you'll find your failure rate skyrocketing.

Of course, the funniest part of all of this; well, there are many, really, is that you repeatedly spoke with an air of authority on the topic, and we all knew you were clueless.

Second, is that ypou continue to dodge Matt's request to describe your experience. He's been man enough to do that, and he is worthy of respect for that.

You...not so much...
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