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Maat222 · #76 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by redstone357

Blacks have accepted this fact. The SCOTUS did not disagree with that, they disagreed that it could be the basis for discrimination against Whites.

That is ridiculous.
First of all, statistics prove that there is no racial difference, only a cultural one.
Second is that it is also proven that it is easy to train people to do well on standardized testing, but it won't help in real life situations.

Marcus1124 · #77 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Maat222
Second is that it is also proven that it is easy to train people to do well on standardized testing, but it won't help in real life situations.

It depends on the test, and what the real life situations they are being evaluated on are. You have already demonstrated you haven't a clue what they are being tested for to begin with.

Also, if it is soooo friggin easy to be trained to do well on these tests, what does that say about lazy ass fools who still didn't manage to do well...DUH

EricOKC · #78 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Wrong.
Management skills, command skills, etc., are only important because they allow fire fighting officers to fight fires better.
So all test should be relative to improving fire fighting capabilities, regardless of whether they are bureaucratic or not.

This test is acknowledged as not doing that.
It had stupid questions with wrong answers, such as which way to face a fire truck on a hill.

The applicants were told there was no need to buy the additional material in order to do well on the test. So it was then wrong to include questions only covered in the purchased material.
All material should have been provided for free, at the station houses.
Why would you ever want to include questions that were no in avaiable material?
What are people supposed to do in real life, if they have a question?
Are they supposed to go out and buy books every time they have a question about their job?

Obvoiusly the test was badly done, and the results useless.
A better test should have been designed.

And yes, a person with dyslexia hiring a tutor is cheating, because they will not be able to rely on a tutor in real life, and will likely fail.

Not a single bit of your irrational bullshit does a thing to explain how the test was racially discriminatory.

wiggidy · #79 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

It depends on the test, and what the real life situations they are being evaluated on are. You have already demonstrated you haven't a clue what they are being tested for to begin with.

Also, if it is soooo friggin easy to be trained to do well on these tests, what does that say about lazy ass fools who still didn't manage to do well...DUH

That they shouldn't be promoted

MattLarson · #80 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

This test is acknowledged as not doing that.
It had stupid questions with wrong answers, such as which way to face a fire truck on a hill.

You think this is an unimportant question because you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Unit orientation can effect pump operation. Does your massive experience in firefighting tell you anything about what happens when a pumper stops pumping while you have personnel inside the building fighting the fire?

Seriously, you have no clue what you are talking about here, and you really need to stop making idiotic statements.

Matt

Steve · #81 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

...and you really need to stop making idiotic statements.

Naw, man, let him go. It's funny...

MattLarson · #82 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

What are people supposed to do in real life, if they have a question?
Are they supposed to go out and buy books every time they have a question about their job?

Yes, it's called continuing education.

Seriously, you don't have the tiniest clue what you are talking about here.

Matt

Tanngrisnir3 · #83 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

Wrong.
Management skills, command skills, etc., are only important because they allow fire fighting officers to fight fires better.

Did you know that firefighters are required to issue "warning squirts" before actually attemping to douse any fires?

Yeah, I understand that it makes a lot of fires put themselves out.

wiggidy · #84 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

Did you know that firefighters are required to issue "warning squirts" before actually attemping to douse any fires?

Yeah, I understand that it makes a lot of fires put themselves out.

lol, thanks, that brightened my day up a little.

redstone357 · #85 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Maat222

That is ridiculous.
First of all, statistics prove that there is no racial difference, only a cultural one.
Second is that it is also proven that it is easy to train people to do well on standardized testing, but it won't help in real life situations.

Wrong...read the Bell Curve by Charles Murry, or read some of the other evidence instead of just believing what you were told by some politically correct racial proselytizer.

Marcus1124 · #86 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Maat222
First of all, statistics prove that there is no racial difference, only a cultural one.

redstone357
Wrong...read the Bell Curve by Charles Murry, or read some of the other evidence instead of just believing what you were told by some politically correct racial proselytizer.

Actually, the reality is something more complex. There is an apparent racial disparity in IQ distributions, but this is most explained by the fact that many non-racial factors which impact IQ distribution are not equally distributed amongst various races

Maat222 · #87 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

It depends on the test, and what the real life situations they are being evaluated on are. You have already demonstrated you haven't a clue what they are being tested for to begin with.

Also, if it is soooo friggin easy to be trained to do well on these tests, what does that say about lazy ass fools who still didn't manage to do well...DUH

That is silly.
I quoted actual firefighters who took the test and proved it had inappropriate questions.
And I did not say it is easy to be trained to do well on these tests, but expensive.
The point is that no one should have to pay that kind of money, and have an advantage, because a good test would not have needed it.

You are wrong to equate being poor with being lazy.

Maat222 · #88 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

Not a single bit of your irrational bullshit does a thing to explain how the test was racially discriminatory.

You clearly did not read what I wrote.
I said that it discriminated against people who were poor, not by race.
It just so happened that most of the Blacks and Hispanics were also poor.
But race was NOT the issue.
It was having to buy material they should not have had to buy, and that hiring tutors helped when it should not have mattered.

redstone357 · #89 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Marcus1124

Actually, the reality is something more complex. There is an apparent racial disparity in IQ distributions, but this is most explained by the fact that many non-racial factors which impact IQ distribution are not equally distributed amongst various races

I agree with that, but race is not an unrelated factor to IQ. Certainly this is only on an aggregate. It probably has to do with the length of time that a culture has used that part of the brain which controls IQ.

Maat222 · #90 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

You think this is an unimportant question because you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Unit orientation can effect pump operation. Does your massive experience in firefighting tell you anything about what happens when a pumper stops pumping while you have personnel inside the building fighting the fire?

Seriously, you have no clue what you are talking about here, and you really need to stop making idiotic statements.

Matt

I don't have to know about firefighting operations because those who do answered this for you in the articles.
They explained that the direction you park the vehicle on a hill was dependent on many factors, such as the type of truck, and had no reasonable answer with the actual equipment they used.
So it is you who need to learn about what is really being discussed.

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