Holy Hell...470,000 job loss in June, national 9.5% - Page 9 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

AkDiesel · #**121** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

Should we be holding your hand when it comes time to use the toilet?

Did you have other people doing your work for you in school, college, work place?

htperr6565 · #**122** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by jotathought

You are really making yourself look foolish. I did a search for the graph on images.google.com, and the image I happened to pick was on innocentbystanders.net. I'd be glad to pull up the same graph from some other site if it makes you happy; Regardless, the data contained within the graph is representative of the data that was forecasted, as well as the actual unemployment rate. It's not rocket science.

it is you folks who are looking foolish, who have no problem representing some internet graph as a spoken promise from the obama administration.

i want you to not only demonstrate that the obama administration produced that graph, but further claimed that it was the absolute truth.
You see, this is called source criticism and critical thinking. I know its not in line with your gotcha partisan masters who are not interested in reality but producing their own version of it.

jet57 · #**123** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by htperr6565

ummmm, the massive spending splurge hasn't even occurred yet. well, only 5% of it has. Not too convenient for your argument, huh?

Reminder to all Obama haters: They never said the stimulus would solve all ills by July. Yes, they were vague about when it would work at all, but that does not matter given that you want to rewrite their words anyway.

how does it feel to be completely unreasonable?

That is exactly right. There was a story about that on ABC World News last night. There are construction jobs under way right now, but nowhere near the amount needed to have a noticable effect.

I think Obama haters forget that a plan that big, takes a while to set in place and get going.

I think perhaps the bigger and more appropriate question might be, with all the bail out money for the banks, AIG and the auto makers, how come they're not up and savng thousands of jobs?

MattLarson · #**124** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by htperr6565

post number please, where you stated that the obama administration claimed all of the money would be spent by july.

perhaps i could make this a little more clear for you: innocentbystanders.net is not affiliated with the obama administration, sofar as i know.

show me where the obama administration actually publicly claimed, you know, with their mouths, that unemployment would behave a certain way, rather than scouring the internet for baloney graphs that could have been hypothetical and theoretical examples that were decided to not even be used, then i will entertain your simplistic yes or no question.

Would you accept that same graph on a government website? I'll go find the URL if there is a point, but if you're going to respond with the same non-thought, I won't waste my time.

Matt

htperr6565 · #**125** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by jet57

I think Obama haters forget that a plan that big, takes a while to set in place and get going.

no, i think they really know better, they just cannot wait to put on the partisan donkey mask, and thus find themselves making weak premature arguments that aren't even relevant to reality.

its a temptation that partisan folks typically cannot withstand.

MattLarson · #**126** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

So as not to strain htperr6565 too much, here's the graph in situ, from obama's transition team website: http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf

The graph appears on page 4.

So, now that you've seen that it is, in fact, Obama's plan that is the source of the graph, can you answer a simple question?

Is unemployment at the level claimed for this quarter, or not? It's not tough to answer - you just have to be honest enough to answer it.

Matt

htperr6565 · #**127** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Would you accept that same graph on a government website? I'll go find the URL if there is a point, but if you're going to respond with the same non-thought, I won't waste my time.

Matt

yes, wanting to know the context and statements accompanying the presentation of alleged graphs is 'non thought.'

MattLarson · #**128** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by jet57

I think Obama haters forget that a plan that big, takes a while to set in place and get going.?

Um, no.

The Obama administration made the specific claim that by this date, unemployment would be < 8%.

It's not the "Obama haters" who made that claim, is was his own administration.

So, would you like to try again?

Matt

Imperator · #**129** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by htperr6565

Because it takes time to spend it correctly.

if you could go on you tube and show me where obama said all of the stimulus money would be spent by july it would actually mean something.

if you are upset with the way congress plays games, then you need to offer us a new constitution.

I am not purporting it all should be spent by now, HE DID, as to how much would be, how it would effect the big picture, his promises on the employment issues and his have to have it now bill to stave off unemployment above 8.3% and enhance employment, and his rhetoric as to thousands of shovel ready jobs that would USE stimulus money being ready, all equals bologna...5%..please. It has done very very little.

Upset? Uhm you missed the point or just by passed it...fine by me, but it hardly constitutes an honest appraisal of why 5% has only been spent and who controls the reins.

Rakkasan · #**130** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by jet57

That is exactly right. There was a story about that on ABC World News last night. There are construction jobs under way right now, but nowhere near the amount needed to have a noticable effect.

I think Obama haters forget that a plan that big, takes a while to set in place and get going.

I think perhaps the bigger and more appropriate question might be, with all the bail out money for the banks, AIG and the auto makers, how come they're not up and savng thousands of jobs?

i hate to chime what mr larson did but in the end his own words are working against him not what the republicans are saying

unemployment was supposed to be lower under his plan, it clearly isnt will you hold him accountable or still blame bush

htperr6565 · #**131** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

So as not to strain htperr6565 too much, here's the graph in situ, from obama's transition team website: http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf

The graph appears on page 4.

So, now that you've seen that it is, in fact, Obama's plan that is the source of the graph, can you answer a simple question?

Is unemployment at the level claimed for this quarter, or not? It's not tough to answer - you just have to be honest enough to answer it.

Matt

after reading the endnotes, you know the document in its entirety, the possessor of a brain would understand that the graph was presented as a casual prediction, and in no way whatsoever represents a 'claim' of the administration, most humorously because this is a rough draft of some pdf garbage that originated before obama was even in office. (office of the vice president elect

)

you see, some of us prefer a complete, as opposed to delusional, version of reality.

chassisman · #**132** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

At least we're getting this all out of the way early on.

Out of the way for what? Is there going to be an application of sugar coating?

MattLarson · #**133** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

A "casual prediction"?

Total bullshit. Thanks for reminding me why it is pointless to converse with you.

Matt

Imperator · #**134** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by jet57

That is exactly right. There was a story about that on ABC World News last night. There are construction jobs under way right now, but nowhere near the amount needed to have a noticable effect.

I think Obama haters forget that a plan that big, takes a while to set in place and get going.

I think perhaps the bigger and more appropriate question might be, with all the bail out money for the banks, AIG and the auto makers, how come they're not up and savng thousands of jobs?

Have you read any of the posts in this thread, above that which you answered?

And since when is it ‘hate’, how about wanting an answer? What happened to speaking truth to power and all that? He promised, he is not delivering, and?

oh yes he 'saved' 50.000 union jobs in the auto industry, and?

htperr6565 · #**135** (**permalink**) 07-03-2009

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Um, no.

The Obama administration made the specific claim that by this date, unemployment would be < 8%.

so you would like to show us where a representative of the obama adminstration said this with their own mouth?

oh, wait, for you, vice president elect PDF land suffices.

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