Visit the U.S. Politics Online Discussion Forum Archives!

Sponsored by:

U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum  

Bookmark Us! E-Mail DONATE NOW! Photo Gallery Document Archives Quiz! Register to Vote!!!
Go Back   U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum > Current Events > Breaking News in Politics
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Breaking News in Politics A forum to discuss what is going on in the political world today.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #166 (permalink)  
Old 07-04-2009
Imperator's Avatar
Moderator
Audiatur et altera pars!

 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: San Jose, Ca
Posts: 21,258

United_States    
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny View Post
I would like to say a few things as well. First of all I agree completely with your post.

Palin has received no unfair media bias. What she has received is the appropriate amount of negative coverage by media doing their jobs, calling out an idiot who was in way over her head. The notion that such an ill-informed flake of a person could be a heartbeat away from the Presidency is absurd. The media were right to call her out and if anything they were not hard enough on her (what magazines do you read?..cmon).

Good riddance to her.
__________________

"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."
Reply With Quote
  #167 (permalink)  
Old 07-04-2009
Rakkasan's Avatar
President

 
Member Since: Sep 2004
Location: nowhere
Posts: 12,503

   
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny View Post
I would like to say a few things as well. First of all I agree completely with your post.

Palin has received no unfair media bias. What she has received is the appropriate amount of negative coverage by media doing their jobs, calling out an idiot who was in way over her head. The notion that such an ill-informed flake of a person could be a heartbeat away from the Presidency is absurd. The media were right to call her out and if anything they were not hard enough on her (what magazines do you read?..cmon).

Good riddance to her.


this is one of the most comedic posts you have done, ya go on with your bad self danny and drink that berry blue
Reply With Quote
  #168 (permalink)  
Old 07-04-2009
Moderator
liberal idealist

 
Member Since: May 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,861

Australia    
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

For those that are interested in the politics of what Palin has done (as aside from the character attacks, 'Electoral-Vote.com' has a really interesting article on the implications this action has for both Palin for the presumed nominees for 2012. I've pasted the article below.

Electoral-vote.com: Election news
Quote:
"We've seen a lot of nutty behavior from governors and Republican leaders in the last three months, but this one is at the top of that," said John Weaver, a long-time Republican operative close to Sen. John McCain about Sarah Palin's surprise resignation yesterday. Palin did not give any real explanation of why she is resigning as governor of Alaska other than that she was not planning to run for reelection and did not want to be a lame duck. She also said she polled her children, who didn't like her being attacked all the time. She will be succeeded by Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell (R-AK), who ran unsuccessfully for the House of Representatives and lost the primary to incumbent Don Young.

Palin's move is certainly going to dominate the political world for many a news cycle Most politicians would give their eye teeth for even a small shot at their party's nomination for the presidency. Palin was probably the favorite at this moment. Whether she is crazy like a fox or just plain crazy will occupy much ink and many pixels for months to come.

At the very least, this step is seriously unorthodox and will freak out a lot of people. Assuming she wants to be President, the safer approach would have been to remain silent about running for re-election, just saying she had not made up her mind yet about her future. The filing deadline for governor is close to a year from now. As long as no one knew if she was running for governor again, she would not have been a lame duck and the state legislature would have had to treat her with respect. Saying she did not want to be a lame duck is disingenuous since she is the one causing the orthopedic problem in the duck by making this announcement.

Of course, she may well still be thinking of running for President in 2012, but she already had a reputation as a lightweight and this move doesn't give her additional gravitas. Her not wanting to be governor in 2011 while starting a presidential run makes perfect sense. Alaska is just too far from Iowa and New Hampshire and if she spent too much time away from home, people would accuse her of neglecting her gubernatorial duties. But if she is resigning for the purpose of gearing up for 2012 already, she will take a lot of heat for it, starting with questions like:
- If governing Alaska was too tough for you, how will you run the whole country?
- If you are elected President, how do we know you won't quit when you learn where the buck stops?
- Why do you think 2 1/2 years as governor of an empty state qualifies you to be President?

Certainly no one will be asking other Republican candidates anything like this.

If Palin vanishes from the public eye until after the 2010 elections, it will be hard to make a comeback and be taken seriously. Comebacks happen--witness Richard Nixon--but Nixon had been a congressman, senator, vice president, presidential candidate(who came within a whisker of winning in 1960), and finally gubernatorial candidate in 1962, before returning to private life. His fame wasn't based on a single 3-month campaign. Palin doesn't have anything like that background. Of course, she might try to land a TV show on Fox or some other job that keeps her in the public eye for the next two years.

So where does this leave the Republicans in 2012? Palin has probably mortally wounded herself with independents and Democrats, as they are going to regard her as flakey. But to be elected President, you first have to get the nomination, and this step probably won't hurt her with the Republican base. But her primary opponents are not going to be bashful about raising the above questions in public. At the moment, her opponents appear to be former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (and possibly soon-to-be-former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty). In 2011, Mark Sanford is more likely to be living in Argentina with his soul mate than running for President.

Gingrich would love to be President but he combines the age of John McCain with the marital history of Rudy Giuliani. McCain treated his first wife very poorly but the media left him alone on this because he never claimed to be the "family values" candidate. Gingrich won't be treated with kid gloves. His having an affair with a staffer while violently attacking Bill Clinton for having an affair with a staffer will become campaign fodder. His waiting until his first wife (his high school math teacher) was in the hospital for cancer surgery to tell her he wanted a divorce will surely charm women voters.

So who's left? Huckabee may inherit the evangelical vote since he is an ordained Baptist minister. But he ran last time and had trouble breaking out of this narrow demographic. Still, his folksy ways and guitar playing may convince some people that he is just an "ordinary guy." Mitt Romney will probably have Wall St. on his side again and he could dump another $40 million of his own money into the campaign without having to eat dog food. But Romney doesn't excite people the way Obama and Palin do. Still, if the economy is still in the toilet in 2012, he could run as the "grown up" and maybe even get the nomination almost by default.

And, of course, someone not on the radar at all now may turn up in 2011. In fact, Palin's strange move may encourage other candidates who figured they couldn't match her popularity to come out of the woodwork. All in all, our best guess as to the effect of the resignation is that it may increase Palin's chances of getting the nomination (assuming she wants it) but decrease her chances in the general election as independents and Democrats are likely to see her as a quitter and opportunistic. If she really is disgusted with politics and does not plan to run, then Romney is the likely beneficiary of her move.

There are at least two other conceivable explanations to Palin's bizarre move. First, there may be some big scandal about her about to break and by resigning, the impact will be lessened. Second, she has been the subject of 15 ethics probes in Alaska and hiring lawyers has been expensive. Neither she nor her husband is wealthy and they have five children. By resigning, she is now perfectly free to travel around the country giving well-paid speeches just to earn a lot of money.
Reply With Quote
  #169 (permalink)  
Old 07-04-2009
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member

 
Member Since: Feb 2008
Location: earth
Posts: 1,168

   
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny View Post
I would like to say a few things as well. First of all I agree completely with your post.

Palin has received no unfair media bias. What she has received is the appropriate amount of negative coverage by media doing their jobs, calling out an idiot who was in way over her head. The notion that such an ill-informed flake of a person could be a heartbeat away from the Presidency is absurd. The media were right to call her out and if anything they were not hard enough on her (what magazines do you read?..cmon).

Good riddance to her.
Uh, um, uh, uh, um, uh, who are you um, uh, uh, um, um, saying is um, um, uh, uh, um, uh, in over, um, um, uh, uh, um, uh, uh, uh, um, their heads?
Reply With Quote
  #170 (permalink)  
Old 07-04-2009
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member

 
Member Since: May 2009
Location: New England
Posts: 1,195

   
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

The scandal scenario seems odd to me, it'd be easier to protect herself and obfuscate while in office.
Reply With Quote
  #171 (permalink)  
Old 07-05-2009
phungus's Avatar
Speaker of the House

 
Member Since: Sep 2004
Location: Oregon
Posts: 925

Oregon     United_States

Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Maybe; it's possible she just wants to chill and get out of the media spotlight, and don't care about the presidential race. Either way she's out of it. So who right now would be most likely to get the Republican nomination?
Original Candidates like Mike Huckaby, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliany, a big R republican like Newt Giengrich, or maybe a State wide Rep. like, Bobby Jindal or Susan Collins, public official like Colin Powell, or some big name like Sean Hannity, or just a random conservative?

I don't know, at this point there is no frontrunner in the Republican Primary, even just speculative.
Reply With Quote
  #172 (permalink)  
Old 07-05-2009
Moderator
liberal idealist

 
Member Since: May 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,861

Australia    
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Quote:
Originally Posted by phungus View Post
Maybe; it's possible she just wants to chill and get out of the media spotlight, and don't care about the presidential race. Either way she's out of it. So who right now would be most likely to get the Republican nomination?
Original Candidates like Mike Huckaby, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliany, a big R republican like Newt Giengrich, or maybe a State wide Rep. like, Bobby Jindal or Susan Collins, public official like Colin Powell, or some big name like Sean Hannity, or just a random conservative?

I don't know, at this point there is no frontrunner in the Republican Primary, even just speculative.
Anyone who's been paying any attention to the GOP race for 2012 would may be interested to know that Mississippi Gov Haley Barbour has made two trips so far this year to Iowa and New Hampshire......
Reply With Quote
  #173 (permalink)  
Old 07-05-2009
MattLarson's Avatar
Moderator, Bulk Rate
Fear my squirrelly wrath!!!!

 
Member Since: Jul 2004
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 30,160

United_States     Florida

Re: Palin stepping down as Gov.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Drake View Post
You're right, I would find it kind of funny if Hillary had been going to see the Rev Wright for 20 years.

I wouldn't have voted for her if she'd been going to see the Pope. I liked Hillary but I didn't vote for her because I didn't think she would win. I voted for Obama because he would beat John McCain and the one thing we had to do in 2008, (and still have to do now) is get rid of the goddam Republicans.
Sorry, it's hard to keep track sometimes.

Are you favoring exile or outright mass murder for the "goddam republicans" you want to get rid of?

You've swung back and forth a few times on the means, and I want to make sure I understand what you are advocating these days.

Matt
Reply With Quote
  #174 (permalink)  
Old 07-05-2009
solletica's Avatar
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Dec 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 3,535

   
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny View Post
I would like to say a few things as well. First of all I agree completely with your post.

Palin has received no unfair media bias. What she has received is the appropriate amount of negative coverage by media doing their jobs, calling out an idiot who was in way over her head. The notion that such an ill-informed flake of a person could be a heartbeat away from the Presidency is absurd. The media were right to call her out and if anything they were not hard enough on her (what magazines do you read?..cmon).

Good riddance to her.
Palin is an idiot and so is Bush. However, Bush won the Presidency so what does that tell you? Intelligence is not required to get the job, even if it's essential to do the job. Americans are perfectly capable of electing idiots to the highest office, and they will do so again.

Palin has dug herself in a hole not because of a lack of intelligence but because when handed the biggest opportunity of her life, she turned lazy and came out unprepared. Nevertheless, Palin's strength is her ability to articulate the social conservatives' mood in a way that's endearing to them.

The social conservative (and majority) segment of the GOP want a simple hockey-Mom as Pres; these folks are, after all, completely uneducated and are therefore turned off by politicians who rattle off big, complicated words like "sovereignty", "supply and demand", "retaliation", etc.

But Palin never uses those terms, because she, like the conservative audience she addresses, doesn't know what they mean.

Furthermore, they like vote for anyone who opposes abortion and has stayed married to his/her spouse for a long time and who isn't gay and is Xtian.

Palin's real weakness is not her lack of noodle; it's her perceived lack of foreign policy experience--key word: perceived. John McNutt never had any foreign policy noodle, either, but the social conservatives felt he was an expert on the subject because he was old and got shot down multiple times in Nam.

Here second big weakness is that she's a woman, and when the conditions are right for GOP pol to win the Presidency, i. e. when another 9/11-style has occurred, the social conservatives are less likely to elect a woman than a man because they believe that "women can't fight like men."
__________________

Last edited by solletica; 07-05-2009 at 07:28 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #175 (permalink)  
Old 07-05-2009
Governor

 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Denmark
Posts: 532

Denmark     United

Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Sarah Palin posted the following on her Facebook profile yesterday:

I shared with you yesterday my heartfelt and candid reasons for this change; I’ve never thought I needed a title before one’s name to forge progress in America. I am now looking ahead and how we can advance this country together with our values of less government intervention, greater energy independence, stronger national security, and much-needed fiscal restraint. I hope you will join me. Now is the time to rebuild and help our nation achieve greatness!

God bless you! And I look forward to making a difference – with you!


Doesn't exactly sound like someone, who is pulling out of the race...
__________________
"It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another." - George W. Bush
Reply With Quote
  #176 (permalink)  
Old 07-05-2009
solletica's Avatar
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Dec 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 3,535

   
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddox View Post
Sarah Palin posted the following on her Facebook profile yesterday:

I shared with you yesterday my heartfelt and candid reasons for this change; I’ve never thought I needed a title before one’s name to forge progress in America. I am now looking ahead and how we can advance this country together with our values of less government intervention, greater energy independence, stronger national security, and much-needed fiscal restraint. I hope you will join me. Now is the time to rebuild and help our nation achieve greatness!

God bless you! And I look forward to making a difference – with you!


Doesn't exactly sound like someone, who is pulling out of the race...
Whoa! Palin screwed up--she used a grown-up word: "fiscal." A big no no there.

She also failed to talk about "family values" and "abortion." She's slipping.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #177 (permalink)  
Old 07-05-2009
Governor

 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Denmark
Posts: 532

Denmark     United

Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Quote:
Originally Posted by solletica View Post
Whoa! Palin screwed up--she used a grown-up word: "fiscal." A big no no there.

She also failed to talk about "family values" and "abortion." She's slipping.
Well, to be fair, it was only an excerpt.

The whole thing can be found here.
__________________
"It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another." - George W. Bush
Reply With Quote
  #178 (permalink)  
Old 07-05-2009
solletica's Avatar
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Dec 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 3,535

   
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Quote:
Originally Posted by compote_tom View Post
Yeah Kinda Like Obama did with the Somali pirates, he went out and coddled them, had a group hug, then he explained how it isn't nice to be a pirate. Oh wait, that isn't what happened????
Yes, but you completely missed Steve's point: after the pirate ordeal was over, Obama failed to do a dance in the end zone.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #179 (permalink)  
Old 07-05-2009
solletica's Avatar
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Dec 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 3,535

   
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Anyone who thinks Palin is down and out need only look back at her college days. . .

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #180 (permalink)  
Old 07-05-2009
jviehe's Avatar
President

 
Member Since: Jan 2004
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 15,473

United_States    
Re: Sarah Palin's Gonna Resign from Her 1st Term As Governor...

Quote:
Originally Posted by solletica View Post
Palin is an idiot and so is Bush. However, Bush won the Presidency so what does that tell you? Intelligence is not required to get the job, even if it's essential to do the job. Americans are perfectly capable of electing idiots to the highest office, and they will do so again.

Palin has dug herself in a hole not because of a lack of intelligence but because when handed the biggest opportunity of her life, she turned lazy and came out unprepared. Nevertheless, Palin's strength is her ability to articulate the social conservatives' mood in a way that's endearing to them.

The social conservative (and majority) segment of the GOP want a simple hockey-Mom as Pres; these folks are, after all, completely uneducated and are therefore turned off by politicians who rattle off big, complicated words like "sovereignty", "supply and demand", "retaliation", etc.

But Palin never uses those terms, because she, like the conservative audience she addresses, doesn't know what they mean.

Furthermore, they like vote for anyone who opposes abortion and has stayed married to his/her spouse for a long time and who isn't gay and is Xtian.

Palin's real weakness is not her lack of noodle; it's her perceived lack of foreign policy experience--key word: perceived. John McNutt never had any foreign policy noodle, either, but the social conservatives felt he was an expert on the subject because he was old and got shot down multiple times in Nam.

Here second big weakness is that she's a woman, and when the conditions are right for GOP pol to win the Presidency, i. e. when another 9/11-style has occurred, the social conservatives are less likely to elect a woman than a man because they believe that "women can't fight like men."
Bush isnt president, or gov of alaska.
__________________
"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

-Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright © 2000 - 2009 U.S. Politics Online