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Old 10-10-2009
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Re: Big Gay Speech by President Obama Tonight!

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Different cultures man, it's apples to oranges. A big chunk, if not the majority of our servicemen come from southern states with a culture that makes some less comfortable around homosexuals, it's too bad but it's just the way it is. Cultures change and I'm confident there will be no need for DADT in the future, but right now it is what it is, and it's not the military's job to be PC.
No, not really. The military is like the police or like monks: there is a universal mindset and bonding; cultural influences before entering should not be as strong as the new bonds made inside, so to speak. The same arguments were used in England before they made the change and admitted homos, and nothing whatsoever happened.

If some southern fuck doesn't like a homo in his unit, he sounds like the problem, no the homo. And how many southerners didn't want to serve next to blacks? And what happened?
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And I disagree that being uncomfortable living with a homosexual makes someone unfit to wear the uniform, there is a difference between hating someone for being different and being uncomfortable with someone who is different. Personally I wouldn't be at all uncomfortable serving with a homosexual, but I respect the opinions of those who are, too.
I piss on the opinions of those 'uncomfortable' serving with homosexuals, and would prefer if they get the fuck out of my country's military. They're a goddamned disgrace.
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Re: Big Gay Speech by President Obama Tonight!

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What about southerners who don't like blacks?
If it were still such a problem that it hurt unit cohesion and thus hurt the military's effectiveness, I'd support segregation in the military, but thankfully our society has evolved to a point where race causes very few problems. Note that I'm not defending these intolerant views, so don't start with that racist shit.
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What about southerners who don't like blacks?
What about blacks that don't like sotherners?
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No, not really. The military is like the police or like monks: there is a universal mindset and bonding; cultural influences before entering should not be as strong as the new bonds made inside, so to speak
In an ideal world I'd agree with you, but in reality that isn't always the case.

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If some southern fuck doesn't like a homo in his unit, he sounds like the problem, no the homo.
Agreed, but I'd imagine there are many more servicemen who are uncomfortable living with homosexuals than there are homosexual servicemen, and like I said before, in the military it's not about who is right or wrong, but rather what is best for the military.

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I piss on the opinions of those 'uncomfortable' serving with homosexuals, and would prefer if they get the fuck out of my country's military. They're a goddamned disgrace.
Do you piss on the opinions of women who are uncomfortable serving/living/showering with men? Should we make the entire military co-ed? (And no, I'm not comparing gay men to women)
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If one of our servicemembers here was so upset by a gay serving in their unit, then he or she isn't fit to wear the uniform.
This has to be one of the most spineless kneeling bows to political correctness that I have ever seen. I didn't realize that there was any level of "fitness" reqired when in the presence of sexual deviates.
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I'm actually a fan of don't ask don't tell, I see it as a pretty decent compromise. As unfortunate as it is, from what I gather from servicemen/women with whom I've spoken, in some cases being openly gay in the military can have a detrimental effect on unit cohesion, and DADT allows gays to serve without this potential problem. Yeah it's not perfect, but the military's only concern should be efficiency, not making everyone feel included.
We have a policy in place that favors retarded social development. Why should we set policy based on immaturity? That might be acceptable in regional militias, but it shouldn't be acceptable in our military.

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President Harry S. Truman’s Executive Order 9981, issued July 26, 1948, declaring that “there shall be equality of treatment and opportunity for all persons in the armed services without regard to race, color, religion or national origin.”

Read more: End of U.S. Military Segregation Set Stage for Rights Movement
Maybe Obama will issue an executive order that adds sexual orientation, it would certainly be a logical next step in our social development, and is about time.

Prejudice towards fellow citizens should not be acceptable in our military. Maybe there should be special training to promote tolerance, after all homosexuals serving in our military are deserving of the respect that comes with service, anything less is disrespectful.
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What about blacks that don't like sotherners?
We shouldn't ban southerners from the military over it or from their being open about it.
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This has to be one of the most spineless kneeling bows to political correctness that I have ever seen. I didn't realize that there was any level of "fitness" reqired when in the presence of sexual deviates.
Well nobody asks heterosexuals if they like it up the butt, I'm sure there are plenty of heterosexual deviants serving in our military, why should they get a pass? Maybe we should start asking everyone what kind of sexual habits they have, then discriminate against anyone who isn't a missionary man.
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We have a policy in place that favors retarded social development. Why should we set policy based on immaturity? That might be acceptable in regional militias, but it shouldn't be acceptable in our military.
Because social engineering is not the military's job.
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Well nobody asks heterosexuals if they like it up the butt, I'm sure there are plenty of heterosexual deviants serving in our military, why should they get a pass? Maybe we should start asking everyone what kind of sexual habits they have, then discriminate against anyone who isn't a missionary man.
Methinks you don't quite grasp the concept behind don't ask, don't tell.
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If it were still such a problem that it hurt unit cohesion and thus hurt the military's effectiveness, I'd support segregation in the military, but thankfully our society has evolved to a point where race causes very few problems. Note that I'm not defending these intolerant views, so don't start with that racist shit.
How much would this actually hurt cohesion? Surely those southerners aren't stupid enough to believe that the homos aren't there just because they don't raise their hand and wear a dress, right?

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This has to be one of the most spineless kneeling bows to political correctness that I have ever seen. I didn't realize that there was any level of "fitness" reqired when in the presence of sexual deviates.
They're supposed to handle bullets flying at them during combat but they can't handle a homo in the same room with them?
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Re: Big Gay Speech by President Obama Tonight!

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This has to be one of the most spineless kneeling bows to political correctness that I have ever seen. I didn't realize that there was any level of "fitness" reqired when in the presence of sexual deviates.
No, it's a stand on principle, so obviously it's so far out of your cringing, sniveling universe as to be incomprehensible to you.

It must suck to live your life in such craven fear.
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Re: Big Gay Speech by President Obama Tonight!

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If it was still such a problem that it hurt unit cohesion and thus hurt the military's effectiveness, I'd support segregation in the military, but thankfully our society has evolved to a point where race causes very few problems. Note that I'm not defending these intolerant views, so don't start with that racist shit.
They didn't integrate the military last week, it happened in 1948, while there were still Jim Crow laws and still some extreme racism rampant in the culture.
And it was the integration of the military that helped expose people to the idea that a society could be integrated and function.
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Try asking Israeli and English soldiers from combat units about how gays effect unit cohesion.

If one of our servicemembers here was so upset by a gay serving in their unit, then he or she isn't fit to wear the uniform.
Thankfully, it's not your job to decide who's fit to defend your freedom to spout nonsense. You should be thankful it's not your job, I know I am.
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Thankfully, it's not your job to decide who's fit to defend your freedom to spout nonsense. You should be thankful it's not your job, I know I am.
Defend my freedom? That's the last thing you've ever done, Hoss.

I'm thankful such cowards who hold to your position are dying out like the vermin that they are.
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