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Steve · #**301** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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Originally Posted by IAmRightUrWrong

I can assure you that I am not one of those candy asses you speak of. I served in the military. As I have mentioned before, Ive changed my mind about gays in the military. I've learned that my problem really was about me. I have a personal problem with hearing about a homosexuals night before or having to shower with one. If it was just about the military then there really shouldnt be a disscussion. They should be allowed to serve as any american.

The problem is rights in general, specifically marriage. Should homosexuality be tolerated and accepted. You say that your born gay even though science cant prove it. Science also cant prove that your not. What if your son was gay because of a childhood experience or an unhealthy relationship with you and simply by reconizing it you could have prevented it from turning into full blown homosexuality.

Maybe thats not the case but until the truth is discovered should homosexuality proceed along the same lines as civil rights or not? Thats the question.

Actually, it's not.

The question is regarding gays in the military. That's the subject of the thread. You admit that the problem is with you, and that gays should be permitted to serve.

I salute your service...

Captain Trips · #**302** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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I have to admit that im completely stuck on the issue. I don’t agree with the gay lifestyle and I personally would place it in the first category. The problem for me is that I really don’t hate gays as so many accuse. I don’t have gay friends, and I probably wouldn’t want to be friends with a gay person. But I socialize with them at work or in passing with no problems. I don’t think about it otherwise and never really put much though into the subject until I saw the president’s speech.

I don’t think the problem can be solved until science figures out why people are gay. If the gay gene is ever found and it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that being gay is something your born with then id concede to accepting the lifestyle completely as a separate culture that is deserving of equality along the same lines as civil rights. Why wouldnt I? I wouldnt have to worry about children growing up to be gay because of the culture or peer pressure or even just curiosity. If your gay your gay and thats life. But right now it seems to be a mix of biology, and environment. Perhaps some cant help it. Perhaps some situations could have been prevented had certain family issues been recognized. Why are some bisexual? Why do some go back to being heterosexual?

Im working on a theory right now and will probably use it as an argumentative essay I have to write for my English class. I still have a lot of research to do before talking about it though. And theres the chance that during the course of my research ill find out im wrong…which will be funny and ironic.

Its really a tough subject, and deserving of intelligent debate. Its not enough to convince me by telling me im illogical, stupid, or a bigot. That tells me nothing other than you feel your right and that’s it. Not a very convincing argument.

It's not a tough subject at all. It's the same old part of human nature that's been with us as long as we've existed:

It is known that people are often drawn to and "turned on" to wrong and dangerous things. This is why jails are filled with drug users/distributors, rapists, molesters and serial killers.

To suggest that one day our society should accept a dangerous and wrong activity, even celebrate it should be laughed at.

Today this is what we're seeing.

"Homosexuality" is, by its very nature an act of being "turned on" by the wrong thing. The fact that something is wrong and dangerous is well known to attract many people to engage in it. We know it's wrong, we know it's dangerous but we do it because it feels good. It’s no secret that, often with human sexual issues, the largest factor of it feeling good to us is the fact that it's so obviously wrong. Wrong can be a turn on. Often it is.

Celebrating and promoting obviously wrong and dangerous behaviors cannot and will not precipitate good results over time. "Gay marriage" is a celebration of a dangerous sexual practice and is an oxymoron whether some America citizens, politicians, or judges think otherwise or not. The truth doesn't change just because confusion becomes prevalent.

Captain Trips · #**303** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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Originally Posted by IAmRightUrWrong

I can assure you that I am not one of those candy asses you speak of. I served in the military. As I have mentioned before, Ive changed my mind about gays in the military. I've learned that my problem really was about me. I have a personal problem with hearing about a homosexuals night before or having to shower with one. If it was just about the military then there really shouldnt be a disscussion. They should be allowed to serve as any american.

The problem is rights in general, specifically marriage. Should homosexuality be tolerated and accepted. You say that your born gay even though science cant prove it. Science also cant prove that your not. What if your son was gay because of a childhood experience or an unhealthy relationship with you and simply by reconizing it you could have prevented it from turning into full blown homosexuality.

Maybe thats not the case but until the truth is discovered should homosexuality proceed along the same lines as civil rights or not? Thats the question.

As long as humankind has used spoken language for communication, we've used different words to describe different ideas, things and relationships. Even different relationships among ourselves. Our parents aren't our siblings. Our Aunts and Uncles aren't our parents. Our mothers aren't our fathers and our fathers aren't our mothers.

Marriage has always been between a man and a woman. Calling two men or two women "married" will always be an oxymoron.

If they wanted more rights in their "relations" why are they not fighting for more rights ? Why are they, instead, trying to force our society to call different things the same thing ?

Because they've joined the cultural war against Christianity and Americas Christian heritage. They cover up their hatred for Christianity by trying to convince us that this is about "love" and "equality." That's been an effective cover for them so far. They've fooled many people.

It's about neither. It's about hatred !! Hatred for Americas Christian history and what's left of Christianity in todays America.

That's all.

Steve · #**304** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

It's not a tough subject at all. It's the same old part of human nature that's been with us as long as we've existed:

It is known that people are often drawn to and "turned on" to wrong and dangerous things. This is why jails are filled with drug users/distributors, rapists, molesters and serial killers.

To suggest that one day our society should accept a dangerous and wrong activity, even celebrate it should be laughed at.

Today this is what we're seeing.

"Homosexuality" is, by its very nature an act of being "turned on" by the wrong thing. The fact that something is wrong and dangerous is well known to attract many people to engage in it. We know it's wrong, we know it's dangerous but we do it because it feels good. It’s no secret that, often with human sexual issues, the largest factor of it feeling good to us is the fact that it's so obviously wrong. Wrong can be a turn on. Often it is.

Celebrating and promoting obviously wrong and dangerous behaviors cannot and will not precipitate good results over time. "Gay marriage" is a celebration of a dangerous sexual practice and is an oxymoron whether some America citizens, politicians, or judges think otherwise or not. The truth doesn't change just because confusion becomes prevalent.

Trips, the issue isn't "homosexuality", it's whether or not gays should be permitted to serve in the military.

I applaud those who are brave enough to stand and fight for their country. I denounce people like you who would want to deny them that, especially given the fact that you, yourself, have apparently never had what it takes to don the uniform.

Prove to me that homosexuality is a choice, and I'll change my mind. But, until then, I refuse to believe that someone would choose a lifestyle which opens them up to the level of hatred and scorn they would receive from people like you...

Maddox · #**305** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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Originally Posted by Steve

Trips, the issue isn't "homosexuality", it's whether or not gays should be permitted to serve in the military.

I applaud those who are brave enough to stand and fight for their country. I denounce people like you who would want to deny them that, especially given the fact that you, yourself, have apparently never had what it takes to don the uniform.

Prove to me that homosexuality is a choice, and I'll change my mind. But, until then, I refuse to believe that someone would choose a lifestyle which opens them up to the level of hatred and scorn they would receive from people like you...

I wouldn´t hold my breath waiting for a rational answer...

Steve · #**306** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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Originally Posted by Maddox

I wouldn´t hold my breath waiting for a rational answer...

Oh, I'm not. Captain Trips has proven, ad nauseum, that he's afraid to answer questions. He just wants to spew that which he chooses to spew. He's not interested in a discussion. He's interested in lecturing.

Few people have a stomach for that...

Captain Trips · #**307** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

Originally Posted by Steve
Trips, the issue isn't "homosexuality", it's whether or not gays should be permitted to serve in the military.

I applaud those who are brave enough to stand and fight for their country. I denounce people like you who would want to deny them that, especially given the fact that you, yourself, have apparently never had what it takes to don the uniform.

Prove to me that homosexuality is a choice, and I'll change my mind. But, until then, I refuse to believe that someone would choose a lifestyle which opens them up to the level of hatred and scorn they would receive from people like you...

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Originally Posted by Maddox

I wouldn´t hold my breath waiting for a rational answer...

That is wise.

There is no "rational answer" to an irrational question.

reality · #**308** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Originally Posted by Steve
Trips, the issue isn't "homosexuality", it's whether or not gays should be permitted to serve in the military.

I applaud those who are brave enough to stand and fight for their country. I denounce people like you who would want to deny them that, especially given the fact that you, yourself, have apparently never had what it takes to don the uniform.

Prove to me that homosexuality is a choice, and I'll change my mind. But, until then, I refuse to believe that someone would choose a lifestyle which opens them up to the level of hatred and scorn they would receive from people like you...

That is wise.

There is no "rational answer" to an irrational question.

Steve's irrationality is based purely on his assumptions. See how many instances of "people like you ...." he has in there ?

He is clueless about me

What we have is the typical hater calling anyone that disagrees with his hateful nonsense a hater. This is an old strategy that is wearing thin.

Pot call the kettle black much dude?

Slon · #**309** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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Originally Posted by IAmRightUrWrong

As a matter of fact, every thing we do as humans is to continue normalcy and prevent abnormalities. Slon’s argument will be that if its in nature, its normal.

Nope, not what I said. I said if it's in nature, then it's natural.

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But tornadoes are in nature, we figure out ways to protect ourselves and predict them. Murder is in nature, and we imprison murderers.

That's right. The fact that something is natural, in nature and normal do not make it right and some of those things need to be punished. Nonetheless, the fact that something is abnormal does not mean it should be punished. For instance, should we punish abnormally strong or smart people? Of course not. And yet, those are not normal by definition.

Please stop misrepresenting my argument. You're making yourself look incredibly foolish. It's hard to believe that you're serious when you make your posts and not simply parodying a clueless poster.

Slon · #**310** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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Originally Posted by IAmRightUrWrong

I can assure you that I am not one of those candy asses you speak of. I served in the military. As I have mentioned before, Ive changed my mind about gays in the military. I've learned that my problem really was about me. I have a personal problem with hearing about a homosexuals night before or having to shower with one. If it was just about the military then there really shouldnt be a disscussion. They should be allowed to serve as any american.

The problem is rights in general, specifically marriage. Should homosexuality be tolerated and accepted.

Tolerated, yes. Accepted, no, you should not be forced to accept it. You can be bitter about it in your little home all you want.

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You say that your born gay even though science cant prove it.

As I have posted before, and as you likely conveniently ignored, there is evidence that shows a genetic component.

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Science also cant prove that your not. What if your son was gay because of a childhood experience or an unhealthy relationship with you and simply by reconizing it you could have prevented it from turning into full blown homosexuality.

As opposed to a closet homo who rails against homosexuality online?

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Maybe thats not the case but until the truth is discovered should homosexuality proceed along the same lines as civil rights or not? Thats the question.

The same lines? Well, I don't support forcing private employers to not be racist in their hiring practices, so no. Simply put and generally speaking, they should have the same rights as anyone else. There is no reason not to give them those rights. Whether homosexuality is genetic, learned or a combination of the two, it still doesn't hurt you. So why should the government hurt them?

People can be sterile from genetics, from development problems or from both. Sterility guarantees a lack of sexual reproduction. Should they be banned from the military? Should they be banned from marrying? They're not directly helping the human race progress sexually, are they?

I think your problem is that you're operating from the assumption that they need to have their rights removed from them by default until they can prove something and you're actively looking for reasons (and failing due to your use of an ignorant approach) to take their rights away from them.

Steve · #**311** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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That is wise. There is no "rational answer" to an irrational question.

There has been no irrational questions asked of you...

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Steve's irrationality is based purely on his assumptions.

Can you not read, Trips?

I explained why I have the position I do. I have actual, real-world experience working with gays in the military. It is you who are acting on emotional assumptions. You speak as though what you say is factual, yet you fail, every fucking time, to back up anything you say.

Why is that?

Well, that would be due to the fact that there is nothing to back up what you say.

I've served. You haven't.

I know what I'm talking about, because I have the experience.

You don't know what you're talking about, and all you have to back up your position is your emotional assumptions.

You're the one taking an irrational position based on assumptions...

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See how many instances of "people like you ...." he has in there ?

A whopping "2"...

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He is clueless about me

What we have is the typical hater calling anyone that disagrees with his hateful nonsense a hater. This is an old strategy that is wearing thin.

Where have I called you a "hater"?

I'm calling you uninformed. I'm calling you uneducated.

I've not called you a "hater".

Is Jesus okay with you being intentionally dishonest like that?

theGhoul · #**312** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

Was Oprah and Gayle at the big Gay speech?

chassisman · #**313** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

312 posts about bonesmokers in the military. meanwhile the US dollar loses gets upstaged by the yen & euro, the new top favored currency by central banks. carry on...............

Slon · #**314** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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312 posts about bonesmokers in the military. meanwhile the US dollar loses gets upstaged by the yen & euro, the new top favored currency by central banks. carry on...............

Totally. They need to just get rid of all of the forum sections except for one section, no, one thread in which the dollar, yen and euro are discussed as there is no possible way to be concerned about more than one thing at the same time.

chassisman · #**315** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009

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Totally. They need to just get rid of all of the forum sections except for one section, no, one thread in which the dollar, yen and euro are discussed as there is no possible way to be concerned about more than one thing at the same time.

Hey........carry on there, Buck Fucken Rogers. This "fightin' faggots" shit is about as important to America as a flea is to a dogs ass.

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