"Negative social bonds?" So you're saying that gay sex is one of those, at least in some animals? And can you explain where they "learn" about being gay?So what you're saying is that homosexuality is a biological instinct? If not, what are you saying and where are you going with it?

your hopeless. Ive already explained in detail a million times. Not gonna keep doin it just to please a retard. Scroll back and read previous posts if you want and use your brain to put 2 and 2 together.

What "previous theory" are you referring to?

The debate about gays in the US military in 2009 puts me in mind of an issue of discrimination Winston Churchill came across in the British Navy 70 years ago in 1939.

He had just taken charge of the Navy at the beginning of WW2 when he discovered that white men doing certain types of job such as painter and electrician were barred from being promoted to officer grade. He quickly put a stop to it.

Even more of a parallel with today's society he was advised that blacks were completely barred from any possibility of being promoted within the Navy.

Remarkably for the time he sent a memo insisting that Blacks were not to be blocked from promotion and that he was quite comfortable seeing black Admirals if they got the job based on merit.

At the time this would have caused much upset within the ranks of the Royal Navy owing to many generations of prejudice against the white working classes and especially the blacks. Churchill showed the way in 1939 well ahead of his time because he was being practical, a war had just broken out and he needed everyone to help no matter what colour or creed.

It took some time for these prejudices to be overcome in the US and British Navy but after a few generations they are thankfully the norm.

The same will be true of the debate about discrimination against Gays in the US military, it has taken decades for Gay rights to be asserted fairly within society and the US military will take some time to find a way of adjusting. But it will.

I came across Churchill's notes on discrimination whilst researching a book I recently published called Churchill's Secret Skills which takes his talents for managing WW2 and applies them to modern business.

An excellent first post...

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Are you saying having dark skin is the same as having sexual desires incompatible with human anatomy and physiology?

I'm saying that having dark skin is about as relevant to military services as having abnormal sexual desires: it's not very relevant. Military service should be merit-based. Soldiers should be accepted, promoted, demoted or expelled based on qualities relevant to the job.

Furthermore, gay sex is very much compatible with human anatomy and physiology. It generally accomplishes the intended consequences that gays have in mind when they engage in it. Those consequences tend to be pleasure. While they may not accomplish sexual reproduction, so what? Many straight people do not engage in sex for sexual reproduction. In fact, many spend good money to avoid that particular aspect of it (condoms, operations, etc...). Seems to me as though gays have it made, at least in that regard. In that regard, they fall into the same category as sterile, straight couples. Should they be kicked out because they can't have kids?

What does that even mean?

A person doesn't ask to be black.

A person doesn't ask to be gay.

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Very well put. I think opponents to gay rights believe that being gay is some sort of choice.

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I heard an interview some years ago, with two gays bragging about how many straight guys they have converted.

Some guys are propably just born to be gays I reckon, others can be converted to it, and some gay guys can even be converted into heteros - by anti-gay bible beaters in the south.

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Or, and this is far more likely, the two guys you heard bragging were simply full of shit...

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Folks, please discuss the topic and not each other. If you can't be civil to one another, don't respond. The mods have been very lenient with this thread but if people can't stop bickering infractions will start being issued.

Show me a gay gene. If homosexual desires are not chosen or aquired, they why so much homosexual activity in prison between men who were normal when they got there and went back to being normal when they left?

Homosexuality is compatible with human anatomy and physiology because it produces orgasms? That's not much different than Princeton professor Peter Singer's theory. He says that human-animal sex is fine as long as it is mutually satisfactory. Ewe!

There is no anatomical or physiological evidence that even implies humans are meant to be homosexual. Not in the cells, not in tissue, not in organs and not in organ systems. Every bit of evidence screams that homosexuality is a folly. The reason that some diseases are spread much more easily among homosexuals is because their body parts are not suitable for what they use them for. A rectum is not a vagina. It tears much easier and provides easy exchange of disease. And because it's for elimination of feces, it's use as a vaginal substitute is a practice which spreads hepatitis.

It can be both I would imagine. You are attracted to certain things and then you choose (or choose not to) to commit actions to satiate those desires.You go from "compatible with human anatomy and physiology" to "is fine." The two are not the same. Make up your mind and stop obfuscating the issue.Now you switch to what is "meant" to be. Humans can do certain things and can't do other things. The point is that voluntary homosexual behavior in homosexuals appears to yield pleasure. Because of this, it "works," at least for the intended purpose. Where are you getting your information anyway? The user manual to human beings?And in lesbians?And yet many straight people have anal sex, and oral sex, etc... Were they "meant" for that?Could you explain what this has to do with allowing/disallowing homosexuals in the military?