Black is not a behavior..........oh wait.......now that I think about it, maybe it is.

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

In the years I spent in the military, I had far more problems when it came to blacks vs. whites vs. latinos vs. name-the-ethnic-group than I ever had with gays...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

So basically Obama is forcing the military and members of our military to accept homosexuality?

Don't ask don't tell isn't good enough anymore? If members of the military feel the need to be open about their sexuality they should be?

Fine, great, fantastic.

You know what though? they shouldn't cry when others don't want to serve with them.

When are men and woman going to be able to shower together in the military?

I mean gay men will be showering with other men, why do they get eye candy? That is the reason why men and woman dont shower together right?

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Just like people were forced to accept blacks. Don't like it? Too fucking bad.

Oh, I love the dictionary. And I guess you are within the definition of deviant, when applied to a normal standard applied by, say, you.

deviant

• adjective diverging from normal standards, especially in social or sexual behaviour.

So, is it not normal for people who love each other to have an intimate relationship? Can you accept that much?

I understand intimate relationships between people of the same sex may not widely accepted as a normal standard, I can't help you there, that's the fault of stunted development, perpetuated by religious dogma.

Is it the sex that has you so troubled? Do you fear being raped by a man? Or is it on religious grounds?

I'm always fascinated by the roots of homophobia.

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I don't think that's it, at all. What he wants to do is force the military and members of our military to not discriminate against them. There's a difference...

Have you ever served?

If so, how many times have you sat around with the guys in your division or your platoon and talked about the previous weekend's sexual conquests? I used to hear it all the time. Heterosexual servicemen have a long and colorful history of being open about their sexuality.

The fact of the matter is that it simply has no place in that environment. As a guy, I might enjoy hearing about the waitress with the sweet ass, or the girl with the big tits, but you can tell me all about that after knock-off, when we're at the pub havin' a few beers.

When I was a Supervisor, I had a simple rule: "During company time, we do the company's business".

I don't believe that someone who wants to serve his or her country should be denied that privilege simply because of their sexual preference...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

Spin away, spiderman! You can put your shoes in the oven, but that won'y make 'em bisquits.

I don't fear homosexuality any more than you fear conservatism. Honestly, we are probable both disgusted by them, repectively. The man raped comment is such a pathetic attempt at trying to get me to keep my opinion to myself, which I won't do. Such childish tactics.....tsk, tsk

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I'm not saying deny gays the right to serve in the military, I'm saying "don't ask don't tell" is appropriate.

Why cause problems when you don't need to?

We will be seeing the slippery slope soon, anyone want to take bets on when the first transsexual tries to join the military?????

This is good though, it will prove the slippery slope does in fact exist.

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I'll accept that as a valid argument, but not to continue Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

Maybe we should ask the men and women serving if they feel uncomfortable showering with homosexuals. I don't think we should jump to the conclusion that our men and women serving are insecure ninnies. But hey, heterosexual men have a hard enough time pissing at the urinal in public bathrooms, you know the ones who immediately go into the toilet stalls and lock the door. We could always do away with communal showers.

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-Thomas Jefferson

Dodge, duck, and evade. Can't answer the question, or won't?

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-Thomas Jefferson

And I disagree.

If a straight service member can proclaim "I'm straight", then a gay service member should be able to proclaim "I'm gay". If someone is going to sit around during chow, talking about how he was bangin' some bar slut the night before, then a gay guy should be able to talk about blowin' some guy.

My point is this: Right now, the straight guy suffers no consequence from telling his story. The gay guy gets discharged...

What problems?

The "first"?

How do you know there aren't some already?

How so?

And, I ask again: Have you served?

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

I don't think you fully understand the policy.

We kick exceptional soldiers out of the military, some whom were extremely valuable, purely because their sexual orientation was made known. Even in instances where the rest of their unit was aware of their sexual orientation, and there was no evidence that it negatively effected unit cohesion.

That is not appropriate.

Anyone can freely practice a literal policy of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, like if you don't want to know if your spotter is gay, then don't ask them. And conversely, if you don't want anyone in your unit to know you're gay, don't tell them. But to make being openly gay a condition for discharge, is inappropriate.

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-Thomas Jefferson

I thought about that too but we all know the gay rights groups would come out of the woodwork and call that discrimination and it pretty much is but its also a form of appropriate discrimination IMO.

So I guess gays and straights have to shower and live with one another.

Me personally I would feel uncomfortable showering with gay men.

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Well I don't think gay rights groups would object to providing a few private shower stalls for insecure soldiers.

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-Thomas Jefferson