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Old 10-11-2009
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Re: Big Gay Speech by President Obama Tonight!

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Oh I can see the fun now already.

"They flunked me out of basic because I was gay"

Lawsuits to follow and an one big liberal spectacle painting the military brass as homophobes and such.

Yes you can BET YOUR ASS (no pun intended) that gays and transsexuals will attempt to join the military as a crusade.
This has already been answered and shot down in burning flames, so I'm not surprised you're still repeating it:

Blacks, Hispanics, women, etc... could now all claim the same thing, and they don't.

Go get a new horse. The one you were on has been shot out from under you so many times there's nothing left of it.
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Oh I can see the fun now already.

"They flunked me out of basic because I was gay"

Lawsuits to follow and an one big liberal spectacle painting the military brass as homophobes and such.

Yes you can BET YOUR ASS (no pun intended) that gays and transsexuals will attempt to join the military as a crusade.
Hate to break it to you fella, but there have already been transsexuals in our military, and I guarantee there are transexuals currently serving.
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That's not insecurity, that's being objectified by an immature disrespectful moron. If someone is being disrespectful, we have ways of dealing with that.

Why do you think gay soldiers aren't respectful?



That's pretty funny really, considering gay men have been showering with heterosexual men in the military for a long time, and it doesn't seem to cause any problems. The problem only happens when people like you know the guy next to them is gay. Does this explain why all those men you felt comfortable in the shower with had boners?
Yeah, just brush it off... Typical liberalism where only a select groups have the right to feel offended like females in this case.

Guys who feel uncomfortable having homos look at them as a piece of meat is wrong and woman who feel uncomfortable when men look at them like a piece of meat is OK.

Astoundingly typical, how liberal of you.

Yeah, you can always tell who's gay in the locker room because its always the guy who's trying to hide his boner.
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Re: Big Gay Speech by President Obama Tonight!

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Dodge, duck, and evade. Can't answer the question, or won't?
I thought I did, although you really didn't ask a question, you just flung insults and accusations. You said "you're a homophobe" and I asked you if objecting to something qualifies are fearful of it.

Get back in your Websters and you'll find that a phobia is an unfounded fear of something. My objections to or low opinion of homosexuality is not unfounded, but based on my religous prinicpals and social values.

You and others who throw "homphobe" around obviosly do not know the definition of a phobia. Once again, it's just a way to try to make people keep their opinions (that you object to) to themselves so you can have the show to yourselves. Pathetic...........like the current use of "racist".
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I have been to DC several times and I can tell you the only things Rome and DC have in common is architecture.

Geez.
Whooosh, I guess it went right over your head then. The founding fathers didn't model us EXACTLY after rome, but they did take key parts of the Roman governance model and incorporate them. Election of senators to represent the people, etc. Or maybe you think the term "senator" as an elected representative being the same for both governments is just a complete fluke.

The military analogies are even closer.

Rome's empire lasted for thousands of years, of COURSE the founding fathers modeled key parts of our country after them.

Rome as a world 'superpower' lasted thousands of years. We have lasted one-tenth as long. Why are you opposed to the concept that our society is in part modeled after theirs. E Pluribus Unum.
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Hate to break it to you fella, but there have already been transsexuals in our military, and I guarantee there are transexuals currently serving.
Bull fucking shit!!!!!!

Now that's one big gigantic lie.

I would be willing to bet there have been "pre op" transsexuals who went on to changes sexes but their are NO CURRANT transsexuals serving in the US military.
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Bull fucking shit!!!!!!

Now that's one big gigantic lie.

I would be willing to bet there have been "pre op" transsexuals who went on to changes sexes but their are NO CURRANT transsexuals serving in the US military.
Have you served?
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I thought I did, although you really didn't ask a question, you just flung insults and accusations. You said "you're a homophobe" and I asked you if objecting to something qualifies are fearful of it.

Get back in your Websters and you'll find that a phobia is an unfounded fear of something. My objections to or low opinion of homosexuality is not unfounded, but based on my religous prinicpals and social values.

You and others who throw "homphobe" around obviosly do not know the definition of a phobia. Once again, it's just a way to try to make people keep their opinions (that you object to) to themselves so you can have the show to yourselves. Pathetic...........like the current use of "racist".
The questions are followed by question marks, they look like this "?"

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So, is it not normal for people who love each other to have an intimate relationship? Can you accept that much?

Is it the sex that has you so troubled? Do you fear being raped by a man? Or is it on religious grounds?
--shrug--
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Re: Big Gay Speech by President Obama Tonight!

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Whooosh, I guess it went right over your head then. The founding fathers didn't model us EXACTLY after rome, but they did take key parts of the Roman governance model and incorporate them. Election of senators to represent the people, etc.

The military analogies are even closer.

Rome's empire lasted for thousands of years, of COURSE the founding fathers modeled key parts of our country after them.

Rome as a world 'superpower' lasted thousands of years. We have lasted one-tenth as long. Why are you opposed to the concept that our society is in part modeled after theirs. E Pluribus Unum.
No shit.

It just seems as if you are using this as justification for gays serving openly in the military.

You know what? The Romans loved capital punishment too, can we throw people to lions now?
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No shit.

It just seems as if you are using this as justification for gays serving openly in the military.

You know what? The Romans loved capital punishment too, can we throw people to lions now?
Our version of the Coliseum is Texas. There's all the giant stadiums and public executions we need there.

The Roman military was unarguably one of the most successful militaries the world has ever seen. They allowed openly gay men to serve. I'm not sure why you'd want to argue with proven success.
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Re: Big Gay Speech by President Obama Tonight!

Swoop, I, and at least one other person here, has asked you a very simple question, and you contnue to avoid it.

That simple question is "Have you served?"

Will you answer that very simple question?
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Re: Big Gay Speech by President Obama Tonight!

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The questions are followed by question marks, they look like this "?"



--shrug--
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So, is it not normal for people who love each other to have an intimate relationship?
Can you accept that much?

Is it the sex that has you so troubled?
Do you fear being raped by a man?
Or is it on religious grounds?
1. when those 2 people are same sex, no, it is not normal. It deviates from normal. Be honest and admit you want me to join you and redefine normal.
2. Nope, it's not a matter of can't, it's aa matter of won't.
3. No, it's that I am being pressured by the far left to accept unnatural acts as normal.
4. No. Now if I was prison bound it might be quite the fearful isssue, but I am not.
5. Bingo!
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Bull fucking shit!!!!!!

Now that's one big gigantic lie.

I would be willing to bet there have been "pre op" transsexuals who went on to changes sexes but their are NO CURRANT transsexuals serving in the US military.
Being post-op is not a necessary for being a transsexual.

And it's no lie, that there are, and have been transsexual soldiers in our military.

But our military does discriminate against post-op transsexuals, so there probably aren't any post-op transsexuals.
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Our version of the Coliseum is Texas. There's all the giant stadiums and public executions we need there.

The Roman military was unarguably one of the most successful militaries the world has ever seen. They allowed openly gay men to serve. I'm not sure why you'd want to argue with proven success.
I'm not talking about the concept of capital punishment I'm talking about the means of capital punishment. Yes we execute people BUT we don't feed them to lions, quarter and draw them, place them in an iron bull and let the condemned boil to death, skin them alive or burn people at the stake.

Big difference.

If you insist we use Roman ethics here then I would have a good argument in support of feeding the condemned to lions and televising it on TV as a PPV even that could "stimulate the economy" with all that revenue.

I'm just pointing out you made a horrible choice choosing Rome as an example for gays to serve openly in the military.
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Lets remember, that the slippery slope , only exists when the left says it does, if they create one, its carefully hidden and camouflaged. Only right creates slippery slopes dude.
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