Since it seems to have escaped your notice, heroin does not, indeed, cause AIDS.So take the money out of coke to get rid of gangs, but let meth and heroin supplying gangs operate under the same, profitable circumstances.

Yeah.

Only if I'm selling it.

Preach it brother...lol...

Agreed, now can we tax it?

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Strangely enough I would have been generally pro legalization before I lived a year in Amsterdam. And my answer to legalizing since then is no way.

Hard Drugs are on open sale in the streets almost right in front of cops. Crime is unbelievable... You can't leave anything down or it is stolen... Some of the people you meat as well you know they having been taking too much over there life and look a bit like Ozzy now but much younger...

Generally a bad idea... Drug addiction is hugely detrimental on society. Is marijuana the exception, maybe?

Then why do you want it to be legal?

I'm reading into your posts what you're writing, over and over again, and then bizarrely claiming not to be writing. I don't believe in drug prohibition for any drugs, so if you happen to prefer a particular one and have some success in ending that particular prohibition, more power to you.

You've established that (1) you want pot to be legal, (2) that you like to smoke pot, (3) that you think meth/heroin/etc should remain illegal, (4) that you don't do or want to do meth/heroin, (5) that you think pot won't be legal if people say that meth/heroin/etc should be legal.

Given the complete subjectivity of "those drugs are bad for society, but mine isn't too bad" (and absurd statements like heroin causing AIDS as opposed to prohibition of heroin), your view is (1) entirely subjective and (2) either entirely self-interested or a pointed coincidence (that you just happen to think the drug you like getting high with is great for society and the ones that don't interest you are destructive).

Using your entire basis of argument, I could argue that pot should be illegal forever. I mean, I don't really smoke pot, so what do I care? It may be rational public policy and locking people up for it may not be cost effective, but why rock the boat? Having a beer now and then is really all anyone needs. Marijuana causes people to run over babies. I think things are just fine the way they are.

What character attack? Wanting your drug of choice to be legal is perfectly rational and understandable behavior.

The only issue I have with your point of view is you trying to pretend there is any logic to it beyond self interest.

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Addiction is a biological and to a lesser degree social phenomenon. It has nothing to do with drug laws. Whether one drug or one hundred drugs are availalbe you will have pretty much the same number of addicts. Amsterdam may have a high number but only becasue they host other countries' addicts.

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This is more proof of the expanded freedoms we will have under Democratic leaders, leaders who respect state's rights. Not like the previous administration.

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"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

I was kinda hoping that a reduction in spending on the WOD would mean we were wasting fewer tax dollars... you know, as in reducing the size of our government. I'm probably dreaming though.

There were 847,863 marijuana arrests in 2008. That's one marijuana arrest every 37 seconds (source). Call me crazy, but if we were to change that to NO marijuana arrests, some jobs are gonna be lost. Anyone who is employed in this "drug arrest industry" would stand to loose their job, and is obviously going to be against any legalization. I still think lawyers are not going to like this... along with anyone employed by the DEA, prison gaurds, people who build prisons, supply prisons, etc... It's an industry that actually stands to loose money.

Another interesting statisitic to look at is the increase in drug arrests over the years (here's an interesting table). It's a growing industry; the numbers have been going up, even though drug use has been going down.

My point is simply that legalizing marijuana may not be as easy as it appears to some... expect resistance from unexpected places.

BTW, if you are arguing that it is illegal to brew your own beer, your are completely wrong. It's perfectly legal to brew up to 100 gallons per year for personal consumption, and you don't have to report a drop of it the government. The ATF can kiss my ass. (also, try googling "home brewing supplies")

Is homebrewing legal in the United States? - Home Brewing Wiki

(And thank you Jimmy Carter.)

Pot: The New Victory Gin.

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where'd you get the idea i thought it was great for society? i think its not detrimental and quite frankly useful in a purely economic sense. (when i hear society i think culture. is that not what you meant?)

see this is what i'm talking about. i never said or implied that i thought smoking pot is all anyone needs. the only thing remotely close to that i've said is i don't see value in meth. I just don't see a reason to vote it in, so i won't. again, if you'd like to make an arguement for why i should instead of attacking me you might get a more positive result. you may have heard this : you catch more flies with honey. buzz buzz dude.
PS: pot makes you run over babies? how come ive never done that? That would be an untruth. However, meth making you paranoid, prone to self mutilation while coming off a bender, violent, and just generally crazy is fairly true. i know a bunch of ex tweakers. they still aren't right in the head. some of the stories they tell will curl your fucking toes man. every tweaker ive met is just that : tweaked. twitchy, paranoid, prone to a hair trigger. No thanks man.


again, youre simply trying to discredit my arguement by making assumptions etc instead of trying to convince me of anything. perhaps if you tried persuasion instead of attack you'd convince me.


edit PS: i want it legal so i don't have to be worried about getting popped. it happens to everyone who rolls the dice long enough in my experience.

heroin doesn't cause aids no. sharing needles does. in my experience heroin addicts are poor and in the depths of addiction simply don't give a fuck about sharing a needle or doing whatever they have to do to get more horse. Thats not something i want to support.

huh didn't know that. guess what i'm doing this weekend



still don't think theyll let you grow it in your yard though. least not for a long time after its legal. the whole hook is taxing it, and its hard to tax it if all you need is a few seeds and a broken birdbath to make a five foot plant

Then, of course, the logical result of your statement would be that you're not against heroin being legalized, but rather that you're for clean needle programs.

Always glad to be of help.

Really? You've never heard of anyone brewing their own beer, or making their own wine? Dude... you need more friends, lol...

I've been a fan of the whole "lets legalize it so we can tax it" idea for at least 20 years. However, I'd much rather be able to grow my own than have to pay for it. If getting it legalized required it to be heavily taxed, to the point that it's still cheaper to get it on the black market... what do you think is gonna happen?