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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

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But they'd be employed if there were customers requiring their jobs.

Supply siders always say stuff like, poor people don't create jobs, which is pretty much the sum of their argument against a bottom-up approach. But poor people buy stuff, and that in turn starts the whole economic ball rolling, all the way up the chain.

Supply side economics is a black hole.
What are you smoking, and where can I get some?

You're correct in saying that poor people buy things, and help to power the economy. But there are only two ways to get more money to them to help them do so - redistribution, and wage and price controls.

When you redistribute monies, two problems invariably pop up. First, the redistributor always takes a BIG chunk off the top, making it inefficient. Second, taking from the employers to give to the employees drives up the cost of doing business, driving up the cost of goods and forcing an inflationary nightmare just to try and keep ahead of the cycle. If you try to institute price controls, you wind up reducing employment by driving up the cost of doing business and tightening the margins on the employers. In short, redistribution hurts the middle to upper middle class small business owners, and this in turn hurts their lower middle class and poor employees. It does not squeeze the rich corporate types nearly so hard.

When you institute wage and price controls, other problems pop up. Wage controls increase wages at the cost of some employment. Price controls further tighten the employment market by decreasing the profit margins. Again, you're hurting the middle and upper middle class small business owner, thereby hurting the lower middle class. You are not hurting the wealthy very much.

Command economics is an unnavigable morass. It can never fulfill its stated function. All it ever does is boost tax revenue, leading to wasteful government spending, and creating an over-privileged governing class, because they're swimming in tax dollars and whats a little off the top, right?
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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

this nonsense about saved jobs created jobs based on numbers that change every week and are a reflection of how the WH can skew anything and make a data point up- ‘saved job’ out of thin air. Look folks its simple.

The only figure need watching is; ta da!!, the unemployment rate, which is the only true gauge, as an indicator as to NET jobs lost as opposed to the number of people working….the rest is WH horse crap as every admin whom has had employment issues does they rope a dope the figures and us…..
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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

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What are you smoking, and where can I get some?

You're correct in saying that poor people buy things, and help to power the economy. But there are only two ways to get more money to them to help them do so - redistribution, and wage and price controls.

When you redistribute monies, two problems invariably pop up. First, the redistributor always takes a BIG chunk off the top, making it inefficient. Second, taking from the employers to give to the employees drives up the cost of doing business, driving up the cost of goods and forcing an inflationary nightmare just to try and keep ahead of the cycle. If you try to institute price controls, you wind up reducing employment by driving up the cost of doing business and tightening the margins on the employers. In short, redistribution hurts the middle to upper middle class small business owners, and this in turn hurts their lower middle class and poor employees. It does not squeeze the rich corporate types nearly so hard.

When you institute wage and price controls, other problems pop up. Wage controls increase wages at the cost of some employment. Price controls further tighten the employment market by decreasing the profit margins. Again, you're hurting the middle and upper middle class small business owner, thereby hurting the lower middle class. You are not hurting the wealthy very much.

Command economics is an unnavigable morass. It can never fulfill its stated function. All it ever does is boost tax revenue, leading to wasteful government spending, and creating an over-privileged governing class, because they're swimming in tax dollars and whats a little off the top, right?
Well my plan really isn't focused on the poor, it was just part of a supply sider's argument.
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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

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this nonsense about saved jobs created jobs based on numbers that change every week and are a reflection of how the WH can skew anything and make a data point up- ‘saved job’ out of thin air. Look folks its simple.

The only figure need watching is; ta da!!, the unemployment rate, which is the only true gauge, as an indicator as to NET jobs lost as opposed to the number of people working….the rest is WH horse crap as every admin whom has had employment issues does they rope a dope the figures and us…..
So what else is new? I mean really, when has it been any different?
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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

These numbers of jobs saved are all made up.
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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

Can you truly be happy saving three jobs when you lost 300 jobs? Cause to me it is all bullshit. we are talking about jobs Obama is saying he saved when we should be talking about jobs his ass lost.
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Can you truly be happy saving three jobs when you lost 300 jobs? Cause to me it is all bullshit. we are talking about jobs Obama is saying he saved when we should be talking about jobs his ass lost.
Thats what I'm saying.

You save 3 but loose 300 and go on a parade declaring the stimulus to be a success? I don't even comprehend how anyone can be stupid enough to buy into the the shit especially when the numbers are available.

The liberals and the media are blatantly lying and the fact the actual numbers are there make the lie even more insulting.
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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

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Thats what I'm saying.

You save 3 but loose 300 and go on a parade declaring the stimulus to be a success? I don't even comprehend how anyone can be stupid enough to buy into the the shit especially when the numbers are available.

The liberals and the media are blatantly lying and the fact the actual numbers are there make the lie even more insulting.
thats because they truly do think we are that stupid....they are not far off the mark. We as a people are to lazy to look things up and discover the truth. Yet I think this Administration is gonna change that cause the more they lie and the more they are caught at it the more people are gonna want to see for themselves.
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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

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thats because they truly do think we are that stupid....they are not far off the mark. We as a people are to lazy to look things up and discover the truth. Yet I think this Administration is gonna change that cause the more they lie and the more they are caught at it the more people are gonna want to see for themselves.
That certainly clears up why liberals support the nanny state idea, because they think they know better then us and they think they're smarter then us HENCE think they can make our decisions for us.
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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

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That certainly clears up why liberals support the nanny state idea, because they think they know better then us and they think they're smarter then us HENCE think they can make our decisions for us.
Well they can jump a rope cause I know I am smart enough....Even an idiot knows not to borrow money you can payback and spend it something that guarantees you never pay it back.
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Well they can jump a rope cause I know I am smart enough....Even an idiot knows not to borrow money you can payback and spend it something that guarantees you never pay it back.
This is exactly why liberal ideology makes absolutely no sense to me.

Their spending philosophy is so asinine and backwards that it makes me literally question their actual intent.
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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

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this nonsense about saved jobs created jobs based on numbers that change every week and are a reflection of how the WH can skew anything and make a data point up- ‘saved job’ out of thin air. Look folks its simple.

The only figure need watching is; ta da!!, the unemployment rate, which is the only true gauge, as an indicator as to NET jobs lost as opposed to the number of people working….the rest is WH horse crap as every admin whom has had employment issues does they rope a dope the figures and us…..
This president saved us from a near-certain worldwide depression. He can claim credit for pink unicorns if he wants, as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: White House: Stimulus Bill Spending has Created or "Saved" 650,000 jobs

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This president saved us from a near-certain worldwide depression. He can claim credit for pink unicorns if he wants, as far as I'm concerned.
You mean President Bush? If not, please explain precisely what actions, rather than his personal wonderfulness, were responsible for saving us?
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You mean President Bush? If not, please explain precisely what actions, rather than his personal wonderfulness, were responsible for saving us?
See? There you go again questioning the Government..

Obama said it so it MUST be TRUE..
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See? There you go again questioning the Government..

Obama said it so it MUST be TRUE..
What are you talking about?

I didn't question anyone but WillRockwell, and I didn't yet question the credibility of his statement, I asked for clarification.

Second, questioning is inherently neither good nor bad in and of itself, what makes it a good question or a bad one is whether or not the question itself is good or bad (or stupid) (refer to my other post)
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