Not sure what the challenge is with asking the question now, it was after all in at least the 2000 questionnaire.



12. Where was this person born?
O In the United States - Print name of state.
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O Outside the United States - Print name of foreign country, or Puerto Rico, Guam, etc.
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13. Is this person a CITIZEN of the United States?
O Yes, born in the United States --> Skip to 15a
O Yes, born in Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, or Northern Marianas
O Yes, born abroad of American parent or parents
O Yes, a U.S. citizen by naturalization
O No, not a citizen of the United States

14. When did this person come to live in the United States? Print numbers in boxes.
Year
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So 10 years ago it was ok? now it is not?

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New Government=one that the President likes a GOP idea but then the Staff puts that Idea in a very DEEP HOLE.

Read HR143 get enlightment.

The Revolution Will not be Televised

I don't agree that this can be labeled as typical liberal. I'm liberal and this question makes perfect sense to me.

Naturally the radical left would want to put winning elections above whats best for the country as a whole and want to count illegals. The radical right does similar things as well.

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You know that isn't the way it works Chassisman. You make the claim. You support it with evidence. If I make a claim in debate, I support it. You can't demand that someone go do the work. Besides, if its on CNN (as you said) then it should be easy to find a link, no?)

(oh, and the $55 is in the post)

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The census is to count the population, not the citizens.

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Here's a pretty reasonable take on it.

Don't count illegal immigrants? That doesn't add up -- latimes.com

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If you ask them the question, you're effectively going to find very low participation levels (not that they're probably that high to begin with) from illegals in the census, which means noone will have any kind of an idea how many illegals there actually are. The role of the census is to find out how many people there are in each geographic area, so the question goes against the purpose of the census.

The question has been on any number of census forms,, so why is it now not ok to ask?

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Government Should Fear the People That Voted Them In!!

New Government=one that the President likes a GOP idea but then the Staff puts that Idea in a very DEEP HOLE.

Read HR143 get enlightment.

The Revolution Will not be Televised

Or make it up

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He said he saw it on the morning news. I also don't watch the news with pen in hand.

Here's two for you: Why would you doubt that he saw it? And if you don't doubt it, what is your point?

My point is this: there is an unfortunate tendency on discussion forums to attempt to silence exchange of opinion by tedious and self-serving demands for "evidence" which when offered is often immediately dismissed. This is poor practice but since it is effective in diverting the thread, will never cease.

Here's a link to a CNN story on the subject:

Demand US Citizen be added to Census

But as the head of the Census says, it's too late to change the questionnaire. Maybe Vitter should pony up the cash to reprint a revised questionnaire,

But as you can see Vitter's motive is for districting. But why should communities with large illegal immigrant populations stand to loose proportional representation because they have large illegal immigrant populations. It's not like just because they're not citizens they don't use local resources. And how many illegals would fill out a government document that called them out?

I don't have a particular problem with finding out how many illegals are in this country, though I'm not sure the Census is the best, or most accurate way of doing that.

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-Thomas Jefferson

By most accounts, there are approximately 12 million undocumented immigrants.

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I prefer the term Illegal seeing as they broke the law coming here the way they did and should be promptly deported back to whatever shit hole they come from. They want to work here and live here? Then follow the fucking law and come here legally instead of being a lowlife scumbag. We have enough of our own criminals we dont need to fucking import them.

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You want evidence of what? That I watched CNN while I had my morning coffee? My wife will vouch for me.

You say it's easy....go for it.

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I don't know AA. Maybe because they are here illegally they aren't entitled to representation. Isn't the idea of proportional representation to actually reflect the proportion of those that can be represented. If you had a district with 100% illegals, no one would be able to represent that district because no one could vote. I mean, it's not like they can vote....oh wait...the Dems make laws to let them vote anyway. My bad.

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American by birth.
Conservative by the grace of God.

Still sore about the war of northern aggression.

Because I didn't see the news myself and that if you claim theres been 'leftist outrage' and there isn't any sign of it then yes, I do doubt the source. Had he posted it and a load of left wing posters had turned up and knocked the door down then I wouldn't have asked. that didn't happen and thus i was suspicious.

I'm perfectly willing to debate but a key in debate is evidence; otherwise we have no ground to work on. Its just good practice to provide sources when your alleging something otherwise you post has nothing to back it up. Its not about blocking or diverting a thread (how can one post do that? And if it is a valid point then the source will exist) but about making sure we have a decent amount of ground to debate on.

For example certain posters on here have alleged in the past that people have had some terrible experience on the NHS, I ask for a source and if there isn't any then TBH theres nothing to debate on. providing sources just means you can have a debate, not that we're tyring to stop one.

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