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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

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You want evidence of what? That I watched CNN while I had my morning coffee? My wife will vouch for me.

You say it's easy....go for it.
As it is AA has done the work for you but its just common courtasy mate.
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

I didn't start this thread because I felt an overwhelming need to be courteous......
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

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If you are a US citizen? Some lawmakers want the question ( Are you a US citizen?) added to the 2010 census questionaire and you guessed it, right away lefties are crying foul. The outcome of the census will affect the funding states get, so why not count our "guests" ? Rightly so, the feds fail to secure the border, the feds should feed 'em, not the states.
So what do you think???????
The census is one of teh best record keeping devices we have: citizenship has never appeared before, the entry of birthplace was always enough. Aliens are going to lie anyway so I think that the question is useless. The way around the mess is require a valid scoial security numbetr for every employee in the country: any employee.
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

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The census is one of teh best record keeping devices we have: citizenship has never appeared before, the entry of birthplace was always enough. Aliens are going to lie anyway so I think that the question is useless. The way around the mess is require a valid scoial security numbetr for every employee in the country: any employee.
Say What?
It has been on past year forms.... to name a few
2000
1990
1980
1970
1960

Don't believe me?
here is link for YOU to look up the different forms that have been used.
Enumeration Forms
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

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JET57:The census is one of teh best record keeping devices we have: citizenship has never appeared before...

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Say What?
It has been on past year forms.... to name a few
2000
1990
1980
1970
1960

Don't believe me?
here is link for YOU to look up the different forms that have been used.
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Doh!!!
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

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I prefer the term Illegal seeing as they broke the law coming here the way they did and should be promptly deported back to whatever shit hole they come from. They want to work here and live here? Then follow the fucking law and come here legally instead of being a lowlife scumbag. We have enough of our own criminals we dont need to fucking import them.
The correct, and legally accurate term is undocumented immigrant. Illegal alien is a meaningless pejorative.
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

Was the question of Citizenship over the last 100+ years ok? but with in the last 6 years it is now Wrong?

When was the current questions decided on? 2 months ago? 6 months ago? 12 months ago?
18 months ago? Just how long ago was the 10 questions voted on and passed?
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

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I don't know AA. Maybe because they are here illegally they aren't entitled to representation. Isn't the idea of proportional representation to actually reflect the proportion of those that can be represented. If you had a district with 100% illegals, no one would be able to represent that district because no one could vote. I mean, it's not like they can vote....oh wait...the Dems make laws to let them vote anyway. My bad.
Now you're jumping to an extreme, which I doubt exists. Regardless, of whether illegals can vote in the respective district, they are still there. They put a greater strain on resources, police, fire, utilities, etc. So to base districting purely on citizens, and not total populations is discriminatory against citizens within those districts.

Vitter thinks that this is a political game, and feels like he's being discriminated against because his districts, have lower populations. If illegal immigrant populations started growing in Louisiana, he'd change his tune in a heartbeat.
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Now you're jumping to an extreme, which I doubt exists. Regardless, of whether illegals can vote in the respective district, they are still there. They put a greater strain on resources, police, fire, utilities, etc. So to base districting purely on citizens, and not total populations is discriminatory against citizens within those districts.

Vitter thinks that this is a political game, and feels like he's being discriminated against because his districts, have lower populations. If illegal immigrant populations started growing in Louisiana, he'd change his tune in a heartbeat.
I jumped to the extreme on purpose as an illustration. But you have a good point about the public resources. It does, however, give credence to those that say they are more of a drain on our resources than their possible contribution. I wasn't really saying they shouldn't be counted. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking the question of citizenship and/or legal status. I don't think they will get an accurate picture but it's better than the complete pull it out of your ass guess that we have now.
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The correct, and legally accurate term is undocumented immigrant. Illegal alien is a meaningless pejorative.
The correct term is criminal. You can paint a pig all you want but it is still a pig. They are criminals. They broke our laws and in such should have to go back like the LAW intended.

Amazing how liberals love the this is a country of laws argument until they find out that the Law doesn't support their criminal actions.
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

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The correct term is criminal. You can paint a pig all you want but it is still a pig. They are criminals. They broke our laws and in such should have to go back like the LAW intended.

Amazing how liberals love the this is a country of laws argument until they find out that the Law doesn't support their criminal actions.
They are actually just documentation challenged.
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

I had the chance to give a false name and address in a Houston ER, just like most illegals do(I was told). but decided to be honest and ended up paying $1348 in excess insurance costs, due to our "out of county" payment which go for illegal alien service. If I had said I was Jose Rodrigo and had NO ID, my payment would have been nada, zero, absolutely farkin $0000000000000.00

So, when I couldn't pay the bucks, they filed civil charges against me against my home.

From now on, my name is Jose Cuervo.........................
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

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They are actually just documentation challenged.
Nope, they are CRIMALIENS.

If I break into your home and are in the process of stealing your stuff... and are discovered inside it, would I be considered something less than a criminal?
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Nope, they are CRIMALIENS.

If I break into your home and are in the process of stealing your stuff... and are discovered inside it, would I be considered something less than a criminal?
You would be a considered stuff challenged and an undocumented homeowner.
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Re: Don't ask - don't tell?

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The correct term is criminal. You can paint a pig all you want but it is still a pig. They are criminals. They broke our laws and in such should have to go back like the LAW intended.

Amazing how liberals love the this is a country of laws argument until they find out that the Law doesn't support their criminal actions.
Uh... nope. Sorry to rain on your parade. They committed a misdemeanor by entering the country illegally, and are "out of status." They do not have documentation to be here legally, that is all. They aren't committing any crime. Do try to be less ignorant.
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