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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

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Maybe once democrats also feel the hurt, the job market will free up and i can get a job again?
Are you saying democrats don't lose their jobs? I'm confused.
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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

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This isn't Obama's fault.
He has certainly been doing the wrong things...however he took over an already crumbling economy..no one could stop this wreck from happening.
What I will concede is the Obama administration's policies are prolonging the bad economy and lessening the chance of a recovery in 2010.
I would have to disagree; while Obugger failed to show up and use his chance at voting to fix various issues while in the Senate, he is still partially to blame.
How many times was a "fix the housing" and/or "fix the banking" bill been proposed only to be shot down?
A few times if I recall correctly.

True, it isnt only his fault, but he was part of the package that failed us.
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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

Its not Obamas fault its Clintons fault.

Actually its Clintons fault but the republicans are partly to blame for not stopping Clinton and its the peoples fault for racking up massive debt they couldn't pay off. The banks played a role in this as well but they're the last entity anyone should blame. Clinton pretty much bullied the banks into lower their lending standards, which was the mistake of the decade, if not the century.

Everyone is partly to blame for this, the only ones who aren't are the ones that were crying about the future in 1996-1997 etc. You know the guys no one listened to but are now being proved right.

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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

Yep - its ALL Bushes fault
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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

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Are you saying democrats don't lose their jobs? I'm confused.
Hopefully, every Dem in Congress will lose their jobs next year, then we can begin the road to recovery.
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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

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Hopefully, every Dem in Congress will lose their jobs next year, then we can begin the road to recovery.
Would that be the same road we were on until January 20 of this year?
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Would that be the same road we were on until January 20 of this year?
I take it you don't remember that the Dems have been in charge for the last three years?
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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

I remember that we had massive surpluses and the lowest unemployment in thirty years until the republicans were voted into a succeeding administration.
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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

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This isn't Obama's fault.
He has certainly been doing the wrong things...however he took over an already crumbling economy..no one could stop this wreck from happening.
What I will concede is the Obama administration's policies are prolonging the bad economy and lessening the chance of a recovery in 2010.
I would somewhat disagree with this statement. Yes, the economy was already failing prior to his administration .. but .. his administration promised hundreds of thousands ... millions of new jobs, forecasted that unemployment would not be greater than 8 percent, and passed the pork-laden stimulus package while vehemently repeating that the stimulus package would solve the problems.
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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

hypothetically, what problems would we have if there were zero percent official unemployment if unemployment compensation is above the poverty rate?
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hypothetically, what problems would we have if there were zero percent official unemployment if unemployment compensation is above the poverty rate?
There is no such thing as 0 unemployment rate. Full employment is considered 4.5%--at which time America is "begging" for workers, & this economy is flat cooking.

Right now we have over 10% unemployment & 17% under employment rate. This is the WORST I have seen in my 57 years--& after surviving the Carter administration-in the late 70's.

Let me tell you. Now matter how much the Fed Government wants to B.S you--this is a bad one. The construction industry in this country which employs millions, (much more than the auto industry--that got the bail-out) is in all out flat DEPRESSION--"Thanks to Fed Goverment & their mismangement of Fannie/Freddie.)

In fact GROUND ZERO of our current economic collapse is due to the Federal Government.

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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

You mean there is no such thing as zero percent unemployment under capitalism. However, if we assume, according to the theory of supply and demand, that perfectly competitive markets exist, then a "natural" unemployment rate is merely the inefficiency rate in that market.

Correcting for that inefficiency could be as simple as at-will employment relationships can make it.

Hypothetically, what problems would we have if there were zero percent official unemployment, if unemployment compensation is above the poverty rate?
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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

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You mean there is no such thing as zero percent unemployment under capitalism. However, if we assume, according to the theory of supply and demand, that perfectly competitive markets exist, then a "natural" unemployment rate is merely the inefficiency rate in that market.

Correcting for that inefficiency could be as simple as at-will employment relationships can make it.

Hypothetically, what problems would we have if there were zero percent official unemployment, if unemployment compensation is above the poverty rate?
There is no such thing as a 0% unemployment rate in this country. Go back & look. Even during the 90's when Bill GATES & John Chambers made this country the hottest topic of the entire world.

There are people in this county that either do not want to work or are on a government pay check for one reason or another. That's why full employment in this country--is considered 4.5%.

0% unemployment will never exist.
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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

It's common sense that if you punish companies by raising their federal and state taxes, they'll shrink in size, thereby hiring fewer workers.

And if you reward companies by lowering their federal and state taxes, they'll grow in size, thereby hiring more workers.

Why is the Democratic party against lowering taxes during an economic recession with very high unemployment?
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Re: Unemployment: 26 year High and rising.

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There is no such thing as a 0% unemployment rate in this country. Go back & look. Even during the 90's when Bill GATES & John Chambers made this country the hottest topic of the entire world.

There are people in this county that either do not want to work or are on a government pay check for one reason or another. That's why full employment in this country--is considered 4.5%.

0% unemployment will never exist.
I agree to cede the point that Capitalism cannot solve a "natural" unemployment rate, simply because zero percent unemployment is not part of our Capitalistic, historical record.

We don't have that much capitalism anymore. Our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror; are based on socialism, not capitalism.

Socialism can solve a "natural" unemployment rate by subsidizing anyone who is "naturally" unemployed; thus correcting that inefficiency in the market for labor.

Hypothetically, what problems would we have if there were zero percent official unemployment, if unemployment compensation is above the poverty rate?

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