Originally Posted by danielpalos

Ideally, unemployment compensation for labor market purposes would bear true witness to the federal at-will employment doctrine and existing state at-will employment laws.

Under that doctrine and those state laws, either party can terminate an employment relationship, at the will of either party, with no for-cause liability.

As a simplified social safety net, anyone who is naturally unemployed could apply for unemployment compensation "at-will" because they don't have an income usually associated with a job in the market for labor.

Originally Posted by American1984

Well your talking about ending poverty and the question is can poverty be ended at this point? That's a tough thing to deal with because with a large population your always going to have a percentage of poor. There's no way around that in my opinion but the better angle of attack would be to end overleveraged spending. If a person is allowed to spend much more than their able to repay it creates crisis. I read one article on how a wallmart checker got approved for a loan by saying she made 9k a month. This of course before the bubble burst. Our government failed to step or regulate any of the mistakes that were made in the great depression. Everyone obviously knew this was going to happen but politicians aren't concerned with making society better they are interested in where their check comes from. Most of them at the top are in bed with a money source. Just watch them closely and ignore their speeches. In fact when they give big speeches their being a spoke persons for the corporations they represent. Crisis make them more powerful, more money. Take a look at the climate bill.. Do you think their concerned about the environment? This is just another way to tax the masses. Alternatives are suppressed by these very people.

Originally Posted by Oreo

Unemployment in the construction industry is 18.9%!!! It's in a depression. While politicians were supporting the collapse in the auto industry--who got government bail-outs to support the unions--they poo-pooed the millions of Americans that work construction in this country which is even much larger than the auto industry.

The stimulus bill is a total joke.

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

From one perspective, if public sector services are not free, it could be viewed as a form of double taxation. Access to a public sector is one metric of a functioning republican form of government.

An exception to that could be public sector means of production such as Hoover Dam.

Originally Posted by turnitup5000db

I must be missing something. Are you talking about extending unemployment benefits from an employers unemployment insurance to its at-will workers (My job is actually at will, so I'm familiar enough with the concept), or are you talking about instituting a social welfare system?

Originally Posted by American1984

Sure it is. They won't even tell you where federal taxes go to my knowledge. We pay taxes to get these things but what do we really get in return.. They hauled that guy away for protesting taxes to federal prison for not paying his federal taxes. His point is that it was his own labor and it's illegal for them to tax a persons labor. Here we live in a dead nation without representation. What I mean by that is the infrastructure is dead. The roads we have are not being replaced at fast enough rate, our bridges are not safe by engineering standards, and even the older building built with rebar are not safe because rebar gets rusted and expands. I hate to inject so much information because it just makes it more confusing but our tax dollars aren't going into maintaining our society if they are I would like to see this because clearly our society is dieing. They want more because they never get enough. If they utilized our tax money we would have a society that could maintain itself. Now we have a president that is promoting health care. Health care is the least of this countries ills.

Originally Posted by danielpalos

We already have the expense of a war on poverty. Better use of those resources could involve actually solving poverty in a market friendly manner.

Poor and official poverty are two different issues. Official poverty can be solved via Statism, better money management skill can solve the former. One is only solvable by a public sector the other should be solved by the individual.

I am of the opinion that our civic obligation ends at official poverty.

Anything more intrusive could be considered a denial or disparagement of individual liberty and our Ninth Amendment.

Originally Posted by danielpalos

Under that doctrine and those state laws, either party can terminate an employment relationship, at the will of either party, with no for-cause liability.

As a simplified social safety net, anyone who is naturally unemployed should be able to apply for unemployment compensation "at-will" because they don't have an income usually associated with a job in the market for labor.

As a matter of equity, both the employee and employer should contribute to that "tax".

After market products could create jobs in the private sector by offering complementary products to anyone who can afford them.

Originally Posted by American1984

I disagree or perhaps I don't understand by this short synapsis . State control also takes away independent markets.

Originally Posted by turnitup5000db

Mkay, you're talking about unemployment insurance, not wellfare. Got me confused there for a second.

Beyond my normal antipathy toward taxation, I don't really see any reason this would be significantly unworkable, provided it has a time and payout limitation to keep people from abusing it.

You kind of lost me on the after market thing... What are we talking about now, medicine, unemployment compensation or cars?

Originally Posted by danielpalos

The power to tax and its limitation are specifically enumerated.

Originally Posted by danielpalos

How would "state control" be any worse if that simplified social safety net conforms to the federal at-will employment doctrine and existing state at-will employment laws?

Both that federal doctrine and those state laws conform to our Ninth Amendment regarding social contracts that result in employment.

Originally Posted by danielpalos

Have you checked with the IRS? They have a pie chart.

Originally Posted by turnitup5000db

Mkay, you're talking about unemployment insurance, not wellfare. Got me confused there for a second.

Beyond my normal antipathy toward taxation, I don't really see any reason this would be significantly unworkable, provided it has a time and payout limitation to keep people from abusing it.

You kind of lost me on the after market thing... What are we talking about now, medicine, unemployment compensation or cars?