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Old 04-05-2010
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Re: Justification for war? -Mexico-

Do the Afghan poppy growers and heroin producer warlords have a lot of internecine violence? If not, maybe the US should invite them to to the Mexican border area to restore order.
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Old 04-05-2010
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Isn't buying a few joints helping to support the drug violence in Mexico?
I buy it from an american citizen who grows it in his home. dudes not part of any "drug ring", or gang. just a guy, who grows weed.
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Re: Justification for war? -Mexico-

After the US restores order in Iraq and Afghanistan it can restore order in Mexico and Pakistan. Then it can go for the biggie, restoring order in Detroit.
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Old 04-06-2010
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Mexico is so corrupt and disorganized. Absolutely unbelievable situation that is now occurring with these drug cartels. I believe that all aid, tourism, and border crossings should be halted, and our embassy staff removed from the country until such time Mexico could gain control of the situation. If they required military assistance they could request US and other UN support.
But the US is giving military assistance.. Guns sold in the US are being smuggled and used by the drug lords daily.

Mexico's Drug War: "Bush aide urges weapons ban to slow Mexican drug war."

So the choice seems simple more immigration from Mexico using asylum seeking or more controls on Assault weapons...
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Old 04-06-2010
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But then again, they may just prohibit you from growing it yourself like they do with moonshine!
The problem with that is that for under $200 you can be growing your own in the basement, year round, without leaving enough of an energy footprint to register with the authorities.

I don't know what all is involved with distilling moonshine but I expect it's a good deal more involved than a dark corner, some CFL bulbs, a pot of dirt, and a few seeds.

I think once you legalize the posession of the smokable parts of the plant it removes any real barrier to home growing.

The gov might make a few home-grow arrests of people who are stupid, greedy, or because they're in the house for some other reason and just happen upon the illegal grow setup.

But from an enforcement perspective there's no real angle to play.
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Re: Justification for war? -Mexico-

I've often said that a viable solution to the illegal immigrant and drug problem imported from south of the border could be resolved by the US absorbing Mexico. Although partially tongue in cheek, in practicality, it is not beyond the US government/big business, to influence politics in Central and South America. Perhaps we could hire out our overage of MBA's to manage their economies (which is the country itself after all). We can go ahead and let India manage our economy and we'll send our leftover MBA's to Mexico.
I don't see a problem with this and it would certainly cure what ails us.
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I've often said that a viable solution to the illegal immigrant and drug problem imported from south of the border could be resolved by the US absorbing Mexico. Although partially tongue in cheek, in practicality, it is not beyond the US government/big business, to influence politics in Central and South America. Perhaps we could hire out our overage of MBA's to manage their economies (which is the country itself after all). We can go ahead and let India manage our economy and we'll send our leftover MBA's to Mexico.
I don't see a problem with this and it would certainly cure what ails us.


What overage?
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Do the Afghan poppy growers and heroin producer warlords have a lot of internecine violence? If not, maybe the US should invite them to to the Mexican border area to restore order.
hey, I am sure both the Mexican and American gov. would love it if they had a 5 families structure and there were some rules and boundaries etc. that kept violence in check........the drug lords are to dumb to realize that.
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hey, I am sure both the Mexican and American gov. would love it if they had a 5 families structure and there were some rules and boundaries etc. that kept violence in check........the drug lords are to dumb to realize that.
of course we probably didn't help by knocking off a few cartels and creating a power vacuum
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Re: Justification for war? -Mexico-

wow, on mainstreet Acapulco..unreal.


Five killed in gunbattle on Acapulco's main shore road

ACAPULCO — A gunbattle erupted on the main coast boulevard in the heart of this Pacific resort Wednesday, killing five people, including an 8-year-old girl and her mother. None of the victims appeared to tourists.

One federal police officer died in a shootout with gunmen, but the other four victims seemed to have been caught in the crossfire at an intersection. Five other people suffered wounds and about a dozen vehicles were riddled with bullets.

Gunmen traveling in two vehicles appeared to have opened fire on a federal police patrol car. While the officers may have tried to return fire, the area was littered with hundreds of shell casings from AK-47 assault rifles — a weapon used almost exclusively by Mexico’s drug cartels.

The battle caused a huge traffic jam on the busy Miguel Aleman Boulevard, after some drivers crashed into each other and others tried to cross the palm-lined median strip in a desperate attempt to flee the shooting.

The Acapulco area has been the scene of bloody turf battles between the Zetas drug gang and the Beltran-Leyva cartel, which has recently been riven by additional internal disputes.

“An 8-year-old girl died when she was being transferred in an ambulance, and her mother also died,” city police said in a statement. A policeman at the scene said the mother had apparently just picked her daughter up from school when they were caught in the hail of bullets.

The intersection where the shooting occurred marks the start of a strip where high-rise hotels alternate with open strips of beach and is among the city’s most heavily traveled and best-known areas.

Also Wednesday, the Mexican army said two soldiers and two gunmen died in a shootout in a northern Mexico area that has seen a recent spike in drug violence.

The army said soldiers patrolling in the border state of Nuevo Leon gave chase to six suspicious cars that crossed into neighboring Tamaulipas state, where a gunbattle ensued in the town of Comales.

The army said in a statement Wednesday that three soldiers and several gunmen were wounded in the clash on Tuesday. It said that 200 soldiers and two helicopters were deployed to the area to locate the assailants.



Five killed in gunbattle on Acapulco's main shore road | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
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That's what you get when demand is higher than disincentives to produce.
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Old 04-21-2010
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That's what you get when demand is higher than disincentives to produce.
Agreed the Mexican drug cartels make between 10-24 billion dollars annually off of the smuggling and the American thirst for drugs isn't going anywhere... so what do we do? We can't just keep letting between 5000-6000 innocent Mexican civilians die annually due to our countries drug addiction. We need to crack down on Cartel violence I mean lets be reasonable we're never going to be able to totally stop the flow of drugs into the US but we can stop (or at least try to) the violence associated with the drug trade.

The profits and deaths information is from my polisci text book:
Issues for Debate in American Public Policy Selections from Cq Researcher. Cq Pr, 2009. Print.

There's a lot of really sobering statistics in there....
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Agreed the Mexican drug cartels make between 10-24 billion dollars annually off of the smuggling and the American thirst for drugs isn't going anywhere... so what do we do? We can't just keep letting between 5000-6000 innocent Mexican civilians die annually due to our countries drug addiction. We need to crack down on Cartel violence I mean lets be reasonable we're never going to be able to totally stop the flow of drugs into the US but we can stop (or at least try to) the violence associated with the drug trade.

The profits and deaths information is from my polisci text book:
Issues for Debate in American Public Policy Selections from Cq Researcher. Cq Pr, 2009. Print.

There's a lot of really sobering statistics in there....
"Cracking down" is what is happening now... how's that workin' out for ya?
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"Cracking down" is what is happening now... how's that workin' out for ya?
We need to crack down in a manner which permits us to take care of the problem without worrying about whether or not we piss off people like you...
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Old 04-21-2010
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We need to crack down in a manner which permits us to take care of the problem without worrying about whether or not we piss off people like you...
It's called 'legalization', and it would make my job one fuck of a lot easier.
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