Mexico drug hitmen target U.S. consulate staff - Focus on Mexico- msnbc.com

Read the above article. These people were assassinated. Is this considered an act of war? If not would it still be justification to send the military to Mexico to go on a search and destroy mission against these cartels? I am torn on this, but this is serious. I lean towards a search and destroy. I mean it's Mexico. My old high school football team could take over that country. We should not have to allow that to happen.

On the other hand, action like that would open a a serious can of worms that would eventually create another guerrilla war that could last for decades so maybe we should just erect a 20ft steel-reinforced 6ft thick wall on the border with mounted-remote machine gun turrets and kill anything that tries to cross the border?

I don't know. I am mad about this. But really, rationally speaking, how should we deal with this?

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We should invade Mexico, get Moroco and Marshall Islands on board as "the coalition of the willing", that mother of all coalitions, then start with a B-52 "shock and awe" style carpet bombing (make sure you put enough depleted uraniums in there just cuz them Mexicans breed like rabbits). Before the rubbles settle, we send in ground troops deployed from El Paso with "Operation Mexican Freedom" printed on the flags, the media can embed themselves, and we all start tying yellow ribbons on everything from cars to cats at home. Once those evil terrorist amigos are dead, we can have Obama declare "mission accomplished" on USS Abraham Lincoln. Occupy the country with 160,000 troops, even more contractors, daily suicide bombings and massacres for the next 50+ years to come. Victory shall be ours and God bless America!

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Though I am all for protecting the southern US border, this is not justification to start shooting illegal immigrants. The Mexican government is openly angry about these acts and actively working with our intelligence agencies to stop these drug cartels. Therefore, even in anger, we cannot quite justify invading Mexico yet. Trust me, they will miss our travel money more than we will struggle to find another place to vacation. They are completely on our side.

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Clever!

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I was wondering when they would get around to us.

Calderon's offensive against the cartels is still in an/at iffy phase, and perhaps, a tipping point.

In the last 36 hours, the other day 5 cops were shot plus I think it was as many as 8 civilians as well killed in, of all places Acapulco on the verge of spring break to boot.

Several border towns have been announced as unfriendly, even by Mexican authorities, translation- they are no go zones, of you go there you're truly on your own.

I don't even know what 'winning' would like for Calderon, I am not sure he does either.

Frankly lets say they did hose down the embassy and/or kill a few workers as they leave for the day, say an American consulate member and American national...what really could we do? Call Pershing back from the dead?

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tiresome...

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Win!

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Rationally speaking - we deal with this by cutting the demand for drugs in the US. We can't invade Mexico. We can't fight this with airstrikes. We need to take away their source of income. That means taking away their market.

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Instead of making them criminals for crossing an invisible borderline created by corporate run governments, lets allow people that only wish to earn a decent living to travel freely. If we only do that, give them free healthcare, and admit how evil and imperial the United States has always been - then these desperate people of the drug cartels would stop making millions trafficing coccaine, and instead tar the roofs of buildings in San Diego and Houston for 15 bucks an hour. To hell with NAFTA, quit exporting our jobs, bring those drug cartels . . . er . . . I mean hardworking people here to mow my lawn!

Better?

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You're pretty much on it.

These drug gangs terrorise the Mexicans far more than they do inside the US. It's been a vicious bloodbath there for quite awhile. Blaming the Mexicans who are victimised by these gangs only doubles their current fear and pain, and it only adds insult to injury to blame the innocent there given these drug gangs exist because a chief motive of them is to fuel American drug abusers. It's also far more of a pressing reason why IMO the US needs to resolve the issue of the border insecurity ASAP. After all, the gangs are often also involved in illegal immigrant 'coyote' trafficking and/or viciously prey upon immigrants heading north as they hitch rides on the freight trains up through Mexico, etc.

That these gangs would target US personnel given US support for cracking down on them has been something I've long expected, and I expected that it will get worse. That includes gang attacks inside the US given many gangs, like MS-13 and others, are already growing in power and setting up operations here with the help of open border. The US should continue to work with Mexico and other nations to eradicate these gangs as best as possible.

The US would also be much better off working on its own side of the border against gangs. That also includes more severe criminal penalties and approaches to gang membership. IMO, they are all criminal conspiracies and racketeering organisations. I'd go as far as arresting and incarcerating anyone with gang membership. I'd pass laws placing a prima facie presumption of gang tattoos of constituting membership in a criminal organisation and/or criminal solicitation, meaning a judge or jury deciding guilt can, if convinced beyond a reasonable doubt from the facts and circumstances presented to them, consider that sufficient evidence alone of gang membership. IMO, the US is way too lax on both criminalisation and enforcement when it comes to gang membership. I'd beef up crime codes and penalties for anyone working with gangs, etc. On the drug usage side, obviously methods should be pursued to address that as effectively as possible.

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As these cartels are not governments, they cannot commit acts of war.

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Incarceration would not be adequate. Most gang members just get stronger in prison. There would need to be a different kind of incarceration and I'm just not feeling creative enough tonight to suggest one. But what we have doesn't work. It just makes them stronger. Not only does it make them stronger it gives them nationwide contacts. They might know only their fellow street thugs in the open, but get them in prison and they are a national network. They know that too.

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neither is Al Qaeda, oh wait, I see what u did there...

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True, but Al Qaeda is not a government yet we still invaded Afghanistan and literally declared war on them. Yes the Taliban were giving them refuge and I definitely agree with going in but the philosophical question is how are the Mexican cartels any different?

Lets face it they would not be so powerful if they did not have friends in the Mexican government and it is also becoming clear that they lack the ability to definitively win this clash with the cartels. How many innocent Americans must die before we act?

In hindsight, I think I would have supported invading Mexico well before Iraq (now that we know there were never any WMDs).

I know there is really no good answer and the last thing we need is another war we cannot afford (though some warmongers may disagree as war is profitable) but I can only see this getting worse as time goes on.

Couldn't we just send in Delta Force in small teams of real life Rambos to kill these drug lords in their homes and hang their heads on stakes all over the country. We certainly have highly trained killing machines and serious technology that can easily put these disorganized, barely educated hooligans to pasture without killing a single civilian. In Swat Valley not so much so due to the terrain and the lack of cover but in Mexico they could move in liek ninjas inthe middle of the night and kill these guys while they sleep out on the drug plantations and at the homes of these drug lords.

I do not advocate capturing them. I am saying find them and kill them where they stand regardless of whether or not they surrender. Black Ops stuff. I was in the military so I know this is very much in the realm of possibility.

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Unlike Al-quida in Afghanistan, the Mexican government is fighting the cartels.

We have to deny the cartels a market. And since the junkies and dealers north of the border are known to be uncooperative, the only place to stop the trade is t the border.

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