Thread: Immigration Reform

Originally Posted by chassisman

So if I stole your flat screen so I could improve my life, you'd be OK with that? And sorry there, but this is our country, and America is a nation built on laws. We , as citizens are expected and required to abide by those laws. You can't produce a valid reason why people who enter this counrty in violation of our law should be ignored or exempted. I don't give a fuck what they want or need, I want and need things too, but I am not allowed to break laws to get them. If I do so anyhow, that makes me a CRIMINAL, like the criminal aliens that enter the USA illegally.

+1.

Seems like a good issue for Obama to take on. It is a partisan issue, but no where near what healthcare was.

I don't have confidence they'll be able to pass this bill. We saw what happened in 2007 when they tried to do something similar to this and now they want to force everybody into a fingerprint Social Security card requirement? Yeah, that'll go over real well. If they think they've seen outrage over the health care grab, they haven't seen anything yet.

Originally Posted by SamInTheSouth

I don't have confidence they'll be able to pass this bill. We saw what happened in 2007 when they tried to do something similar to this and now they want to force everybody into a fingerprint Social Security card requirement? Yeah, that'll go over real well. If they think they've seen outrage over the health care grab, they haven't seen anything yet.

So.....you're saying they can expect less than zero Republican votes?

Originally Posted by Commodore

Mmmm, maybe they should have done this before Health Care. Surely another 30 million people on the Medicaid rolls would affect the price.

Build the fracking fence.

I know we argue a lot here but any fan of Battlestar Galactica has a special place in my heart......Caprica is getting very good as well.

I agree with you this time. My thing would be to deny them the same rights we have. They should make an illegal immigrant's bill of rights:

1. You have the right to apply for citizenship
2. You have the the right to due process
3. You have the right to apply for a work permit and must reapply every 6 months pending a background check. Provide fingerprints and DNA so you can be tracked. You pay double taxes while working here as a non-citizen.

That's it here's what they can't have:

1. They are not allowed any benefits of citizenship, including medicare.
2. Children of illegal immigrants are NOT citizens and are not eligible for education, medical care, etc.
3. If you commit a crime while on illegal status you are permanently revoke for ever gaining citizenship and if caught here after that you get a minimum sentence of ten years hard labor working for local governments.
4. Violation of any of these rules puts you on a watch list
5. Bill of rights does not apply to illegal immigrants (minus due process of law)

Employers caught using undocumented workers should face prison time for a first offense and a minimum of 100k per illegal working for them.

Harsh I know but seeing how other countries treat Americans, this is still pretty mild.

Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

You aren't serious about a fence, right? Because they don't work.

I am. Perhaps it won't stop everyone but not having a fence is ludicrous and a huge national security breach.

Originally Posted by Doc Marten

Privatize Border security and build a fence. Once you eliminate the major problem of the guys in the government jobs making a killing off of the slave trade businesses they are involved in AZ, CA, NM and TX you solve much of the illegal immigration problem right there. The fence is there for two reasons: intimidation and it would stop the minor runs from crossing over.

This would definitely be an effective way but I doubt anyone has the balls to do it. I'd only be in favour of such punishment if its accompanied with a reasonable path to citizenship.

Originally Posted by chassisman

The only real way to stop it is to make employing them a felony offense. Add to that revocation of one's business license(s) if convicted. These people are here because Americans hire them, there's your trouble, there's your scumbags.

Pretty much.

Look at all this bipartisan support right here in this thread!

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

Seems like a good issue for Obama to take on. It is a partisan issue, but no where near what healthcare was.

why would it matter? they can just deem and pass it....thats the wave of the future, bet on it.

Originally Posted by Imperator

why would it matter? they can just deem and pass it....thats the wave of the future, bet on it.

They'd first have to pass some form in the House and Senate....then, I guess they could deem and pass.

Deem and Pass has been the wave of the past....no reason to suspect it wouldn't be the wave of the future....

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

They'd first have to pass some form in the House and Senate....then, I guess they could deem and pass.

Deem and Pass has been the wave of the past....no reason to suspect it wouldn't be the wave of the future....

You seem to be up on deem and pass, what previous social and/or reform programs have been enacted using deem and pass?

Originally Posted by chassisman

You seem to be up on deem and pass, what previous social and/or reform programs have been enacted using deem and pass?

It's been used hundreds of times apparently...but to make the point you're leading me into, Even though it's never been used to pass a large reform program, I don't think the "deem and pass" rules make any distinction about the scope/size of the bill.

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

So.....you're saying they can expect less than zero Republican votes?

There will be Republicans that vote for this. That shit bag Lindsey Graham right here in South Carolina is helping shape the bill. There will be a lot of Democrats, however, that won't go along which is what happened last time.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

So, do we have a right to decide who lives in our country? Can you move to any country you please without completing an immigration process?

Seems a bit simplistic to me. Good slogan - " No one owns the world. Not even Americans." - but a bit short on substance.

How about your house? Can I move in and take over your living room? I don't have a "piece of paper" that says I can live in your house, but does that really matter? Is "Nobody owns your house. Not even you." as exciting a slogan?

Matt

Maybe if you adopted my attitude you'd feel a lot less hateful and angry about the illegal immigration problem . Fortunately for Americans, especially white ones, there are few places on earth they would not be able to live if they so desired.
Aliens, whether they come here legally or illegally have no desire to take over my living room or yours for that matter. They want the same thing you and I already have, a home of their own and they are quite willing to work for that.

Aside from a baseless, silly assumption about anger, you managed to completely avoid addressing my post.

Matt