Thread: Immigration Reform

Donkey_Left
What makes this country both unique and exceptional is our immigrant heritage.

Except the heritage you speak of was before you had modern liberals declaring that it was a basic right to have your needs provided for by others. They had to come here and work hard just to survive.

I believe in the big, high wall, with a big wide gate. Anyone who wants to come here to seek opportunity who is not a criminal should be free to. They should be completely ineligible for any public benefits (welfare, medicaid, etc.) until they have been here, working, paying taxes for ten years.

Then the goal of public policy should be to assimilate them. That means an iron-clad requirement to become proficient in speaking and reading English within 5 years to stay, and fluent to become citizens.

Originally Posted by Marcus1124

Except each and every immigrant group which has come here for opportunity and thrived did so before you had modern liberals declaring that it was a basic right to have your needs provided for by others. They had to come here and work hard just to survive.

The big complaint is that illegals are taking 'our' jobs. If that is the case, it does't look to me like they are lounging around on welfare. Quite the contrary. They pay taxes in and get no refund even if they over pay. The pay social security but cannot draw. So WTF is the talk about them having their needs provided by others?

Originally Posted by SamInTheSouth

I fervently disagree with that. When Bush and McLame were trying to push the whole shamnesty bill through in 2007 polls were showing well over 70% of Americans opposed to what they were trying to do. It's the business and corporate interests as well as politicians that want illegal immigrants here. Businesses want them for cheap labor and politicians want them as the next big voting block and to use as a wedge issue at election time.

In more recent polls, overwhelming majorities support CIR that includes a path to citizenship.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

yarrr Mrs. M!

'tis time to go out fer a few mugs 'o grog me hearty, but i wanted to just scribe a quick comment;

'o the three...politicians, illegals, and the folks who hire'm, the entity ye should despise the most ought to be the americans citizens 'o our great and just land who do the hiring.

if thar be no hiring', you'd see that flood 'o illegal aliens drop to a trickle.

they be here because some americans want them here.

thar really isn't an illegal immigrant problem, lass...'tis more 'o an illegal employer issues that plagues our country.

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

I do despise the assholes that hire illegals...they pay them less than minimum wage, in cash, and there's no record of it. How do I know this? I'm sure you know how freely men will talk about they've been drinking and the less-than-scrupulous contractors that came to "help" after Katrina were no different. They bragged about how much money they were making and how many "wetbacks" they had working for them. Being the bartender limited how much I could say to them but I did make my disgust known to many of them. That said, it still doesn't excuse the fact that the illegals knowingly commit a crime by crossing the border without proper documentation. If I want something my neighbor has, I can't just cross the property line and take it, now can I? Yet, that's exactly what the scumbag illegals do and Washington is too chickenshit to do anything about it because they don't want to lose votes. I guess it never occurred to the stupid morons that they would actually gain votes from those of us who are sick of sorry-ass illegals and rotten, money-grubbing employers.




Oh, and those who are stupid enough to think that WE actually WANT the illegals here need to think again...I, along with many other Americans DO NOT WANT THEM HERE.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

yarrr Mrs. M!

'tis time to go out fer a few mugs 'o grog me hearty, but i wanted to just scribe a quick comment;

'o the three...politicians, illegals, and the folks who hire'm, the entity ye should despise the most ought to be the americans citizens 'o our great and just land who do the hiring.

if thar be no hiring', you'd see that flood 'o illegal aliens drop to a trickle.

they be here because some americans want them here.

thar really isn't an illegal immigrant problem, lass...'tis more 'o an illegal employer issues that plagues our country.

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

You are correct. We DO want them here. In fact, we wanted the Africans here so much that we even sent ships to bring them here!

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

They'd first have to pass some form in the House and Senate....then, I guess they could deem and pass.

Deem and Pass has been the wave of the past....no reason to suspect it wouldn't be the wave of the future....

no, LBS it wasn't a wave of the past.

Three points:
Point 1: Illegal emigrants come to this county for work (in most cases), if there was no work then majority of problem solved. So what do we do to reduce the number of jobs available. Require all physically able welfare recipients to accept jobs, if they have to move so be it, this would also apply to those on unemployment for X number of weeks to do the same. During part of our history during tough times we had numerous workers (men, women, and families) following the jobs. Yes, it makes for tough times but right now things are going to hell in a hand basket and things don't change we are going to go bankrupt. Try Argentina in the early 2000's and Greece now.

Point 2. Change the granting of citizenship requirements so that at least one parent has to be a citizen before any child born in the US is granted citizenship.

Point 3. One requirement to become a naturalized citizen is you must be fluent in English. Try living in another country and not speaking the language. Yeah, I hear you..... that isn't what this country is about. So what, things are tough and getting worse. I'm tired of hearing "press 1 for English".

Originally Posted by States Rights

Three points:
Point 1: Illegal emigrants come to this county for work (in most cases), if there was no work then majority of problem solved. So what do we do to reduce the number of jobs available. Require all physically able welfare recipients to accept jobs, if they have to move so be it, this would also apply to those on unemployment for X number of weeks to do the same. During part of our history during tough times we had numerous workers (men, women, and families) following the jobs. Yes, it makes for tough times but right now things are going to hell in a hand basket and things don't change we are going to go bankrupt. Try Argentina in the early 2000's and Greece now.

correct me friend (welcome to USPO, yarr!)

Point 2. Change the granting of citizenship requirements so that at least one parent has to be a citizen before any child born in the US is granted citizenship.

if this were the case, then MeadHallPirate would not be in our great land!

Point 3. One requirement to become a naturalized citizen is you must be fluent in English. Try living in another country and not speaking the language. Yeah, I hear you..... that isn't what this country is about. So what, things are tough and getting worse. I'm tired of hearing "press 1 for English".

if this were the case, some 'o the writers on our mighty forum who use cholesterol reducin' medication might be dead. why? because me mum, who spoke almost no english, discovered the enzyme on the Merck team that gave us Mevacor, the first drug to reduce cholesterol.
also, yer ivy league schools woulda had less proper material to work with, since me parents, and friends 'o me parents, and a great bulk 'o thar 1st generation spawn, went attended our mightiest educational institutions (i did not...bein' somehow deficient goods, i attended NYU, arg!)

*shakes his head*

respectfully, i can't say i agree with yer positions, matey.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by States Rights

Three points:
Point 1: Illegal emigrants come to this county for work (in most cases), if there was no work then majority of problem solved. So what do we do to reduce the number of jobs available. Require all physically able welfare recipients to accept jobs, if they have to move so be it, this would also apply to those on unemployment for X number of weeks to do the same. During part of our history during tough times we had numerous workers (men, women, and families) following the jobs. Yes, it makes for tough times but right now things are going to hell in a hand basket and things don't change we are going to go bankrupt. Try Argentina in the early 2000's and Greece now.

Point 2. Change the granting of citizenship requirements so that at least one parent has to be a citizen before any child born in the US is granted citizenship.

Point 3. One requirement to become a naturalized citizen is you must be fluent in English. Try living in another country and not speaking the language. Yeah, I hear you..... that isn't what this country is about. So what, things are tough and getting worse. I'm tired of hearing "press 1 for English".

LOL @ States Rights~

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

It's been used hundreds of times apparently...but to make the point you're leading me into, Even though it's never been used to pass a large reform program, I don't think the "deem and pass" rules make any distinction about the scope/size of the bill.

you're alluding to a political argument, not a legal argument LBS. the deem and pass has not been used to cerate legislation as in law the president will sign for enactment, its been a budgetary issue and used to move numbers, rightly wrongly, and in 98, pelosi was mightily pissed when the line item veto allowed a number of house requests to be gutted, with no chance for the hnsoue to debate and ameand the bill again after its changes, she wrote an amicus brief for a challenge which as successful, in that, the text of a bill passed from house to senate or vis versa, upon vote must be the same. so no its not the same and its not as you allude and been used anywhere near the scope we are seeing it used for now. ( and she had bis partisan sppt. as to the challenge as well).

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

I do despise the assholes that hire illegals...they pay them less than minimum wage, in cash, and there's no record of it.

Ahoy Mrs.M, and a happy Saturday morn' to ye!

i know this whole topic be a touchy and personal topic fer ye, so i don't mean to challenge ye, but are ye not against the minimum wage? 'tis a common conservative position that employers should be able to pay folks as little as the market will bear (by the way, i see the logic in this. if say, ye could legally pay peoples $2.00 per hour, then unemployment numbers might shrink dramaticallly).

If I want something my neighbor has, I can't just cross the property line and take it, now can I? Yet, that's exactly what the scumbag illegals do.

again, Mrs.M...this be not exactly an accurate depiction 'o whats happenin'. i think it would be more fair to say yer neighbor wants to give ye somethin', one might be compelled to cross the property line to take possession 'o whatever he's willin' to give you. in this case, 'tis jobs that american citizens are willin' to give illegal immigrants.

Oh, and those who are stupid enough to think that WE actually WANT the illegals here need to think again...I, along with many other Americans DO NOT WANT THEM HERE.

on this point, ye have been absolutely clear, lass....fer years! the problem is that many folks in america feel differently than you do, and they lets thar monies do the talkin'.

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by Sunshine

LOL @ States Rights~

*hugs Sunshine*

imma waitin' fer someone to make an account called, "IamApatriot&IloveMyCountry".

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

ps - imma feelin' kinda bouncy and combative this mornin'. some swabby musta spiked me liver, whey, wheat gluten and soy powder breakfeast smoothie with some rum.
aye.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

*hugs Sunshine*

imma waitin' fer someone to make an account called, "IamApatriot&IloveMyCountry".

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

ps - imma feelin' kinda bouncy and combative this mornin'. some swabby musta spiked me liver, whey, wheat gluten and soy powder breakfeast smoothie with some rum.
aye.

Maybe too much of that mead, followed by demon rum, followed by a little grog?